It's 2024 and we still get the "Bury Your Gays" trope on tv, WTF. I know this is the final season but this is my final episode I wont be watching anymore.:face_with_symbols_over_mouth:
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@filmjunkie But this wasn't even about being gay? Yikes.
"Life is full of change. Some big, some small. I learned a long time ago, you can fight it or you can try to make the best of it. And that's all a lot easier if you've got people who love you helping you face whatever life throws at you.”
It was a beautiful finale. Nothing truly groundbreaking but I thought they did a great job wrapping the show. So many sweet moments – the Dunphy siblings, Phil and Jay, Claire and Mitch’s misadventure, Jay learning Spanish, and the ending shot - leaving that porch light on, symbolism of how Claire and Phil know their kids will return at some point.
I liked it for the most part but I think the ending seemed rushed and it’s a little unrealistic that so many family members are leaving at once. I’m glad they didn’t go with Jay passing away and I really loved the parallels between the first and last scenes of the show - Phil and Claire going over their calendar, Jay and Gloria at the football match, and Mitch and Cam on a flight. I expected Cam to top the first baby reveal. The Lion King one will forever go down in history.
A hugely missed opportunity not to address the documentary element. We'll never know why these people have been interviewed for 11 years.
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@cutecruel actually yes, didn't think about it, but making them speak about the mokumentary itself could have been nice and funny under multiple aspects.
What's with the bad votes it didn't even come out yet-
Edit: Fair enough.
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@rubilior Plenty of films can be watched before their official release date, most notably on film festivals. Also, release dates are still often at different dates in different countries (and the us. date or country of origin date is also not always the most earliest date.)
Both films are fantastic but second definitely scores higher than the first with more action, better camera work and affects were so much better and definitely was more noisier than the first and loved the ending and hoping it doesn’t end there because I’d love a 3rd movie, back story on the aliens would be nice but wouldn’t mind if they still keep it quiet..
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@cinemanicbonkers I know the Paramount execs vehemently disagree with me on this... But in my mind I have A Quiet Place 1 & 2, Signs, and Bird Box tied into the Cloverfield universe. Makes it that much more interesting for me on a grander scale. Although I also have an alternate theory behind Bird Box that's totally seperate from my Cloverfield dreamscape.
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VIP7John Krasinski has proven to have a decent level of craftsmanship behind the camera but this movie proves that he should be kept away from screenwriting.
I’m really surprised at a lot of the positive reviews because the plotting and beats in this movie are super dumb. There is a small hint at the level we are working at when we are with Krasinski on “Day 1” where we get a small peek at life before the aliens came and they make a choice to drop in an Easter egg reference to the toy spaceship that gets his child killed from the first one. It’s a seemingly innocuous little call back, foreshadow, wink, knudge, whatever, but it is a perfect example of the types of choices made in this movie. I mean not to ruin anything but essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me.
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@abstractlegend I guess the same scenario when someone commits a B&E at your home, and you're caught sleeping upstairs with your pants down. Let's assume you don't own a firearm.... You wake up to the noise, find somewhere safe to hide, remain quiet, pull out your phone, and dial 911. Make sure to put the phone on silent after you hang up though, and again, remain silent!!
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VIP7John Krasinski has proven to have a decent level of craftsmanship behind the camera but this movie proves that he should be kept away from screenwriting.
I’m really surprised at a lot of the positive reviews because the plotting and beats in this movie are super dumb. There is a small hint at the level we are working at when we are with Krasinski on “Day 1” where we get a small peek at life before the aliens came and they make a choice to drop in an Easter egg reference to the toy spaceship that gets his child killed from the first one. It’s a seemingly innocuous little call back, foreshadow, wink, knudge, whatever, but it is a perfect example of the types of choices made in this movie. I mean not to ruin anything but essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me.
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@jimdarko "essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me."
Hey Google, what's "Ocean Current"
LMFAO dude, you just seem to want to hate this movie if you're using that obvious strawman to bash it. hahaha
The same fxcking car Ruth knows was following her prior, but she parks, gets out and walks over to inspect?!! AND WENDY THE WITCH LIVES??! WHACK final scene. Someone just tell me Jonah shot Wendy and I’ll be happy!
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@ytijani1 He shot her stupid head off
I never thought Euphoria would reach a point where it would make me feel indifference. There's a lot of redeemable moments this season, for sure (and please, give Zendaya all the awards), but to me the show retains only a few glimpses of its original charm and emotional potency. Which is a shame. Euphoria has always been over-the-top, but this season barely feels grounded in reality anymore. It's still undeniably entertaining, but I often struggle to feel the heart and intention that used to shine through these characters and their stories. Something's missing, and the result is underwhelming.
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@paulvincent83 yes sir! i absolutely realize it is an ongoing series and we thank the STARS that HBO is continuing this record-breaking show that you and i love so much
that being said, in terms of the timeline, the weird drug boss lady specifically said 'one month' and the finale had a literal 'three months later type of montage'
Paul, i appreciate you. you and i are lovers of this show, therefore friends :blush:
there's gonna be much debate, theories, speculation, passion and analysis of the wonderful season two before 2024.
also, Fez. wait. oh my god i am so dense and dumb.
Faye literally ratted out the weird drug queen lady during the wire tapped phone call to the police, so it can be realistic that that weirdo also got arrested before she could mess with Rue
i am so sorry :rofl:. Klovar fail
no way this season was written by the same person who wrote season one...
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@katherysm its evolving every season like every great artist. Dont be the peep that says "doesnt feel the same" as a negative
How is Rue gonna catch no consequences from losing that suitcase of drugs? They better answer this in season 3
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@abstractlegend I think the Fezco plot will tie into that somewhere. But yeah, will be looking forward to that in S3.
idk how I feel about this finale, it was chaotic and all over the place
I predicted that Love will die in this season so it wasn't a big surprise for me
Also I'm really happy that the Conrad's survived LOL, they grew up on me and I started to like them after the cage
Marienne got reality check from Love before she went away so I'm curios if and how Joe will fix this situation especially that now he's in Paris cuz Marienne already told him that she wants to take her daughter and both go to France so Joe now is looking for her but the question is how did he travel, if he used his real passport that would ruin his plan to stay dead so I'm assume he used a fake passport
overall this season was very enjoyable but felt repetitive in some situations and Joe feels like he was dumbed down from previous seasons
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@mino_an I wonder if he could've gotten control of some of Love's own finances somehow - would've been interesting to see, since they always make a point of remarking about her family's wealth. Either that, or he's back to restoring books like a mad man - maybe Paris is the place to do it lol.
idk how I feel about this finale, it was chaotic and all over the place
I predicted that Love will die in this season so it wasn't a big surprise for me
Also I'm really happy that the Conrad's survived LOL, they grew up on me and I started to like them after the cage
Marienne got reality check from Love before she went away so I'm curios if and how Joe will fix this situation especially that now he's in Paris cuz Marienne already told him that she wants to take her daughter and both go to France so Joe now is looking for her but the question is how did he travel, if he used his real passport that would ruin his plan to stay dead so I'm assume he used a fake passport
overall this season was very enjoyable but felt repetitive in some situations and Joe feels like he was dumbed down from previous seasons
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@nasserfeed The barista called him "Nick", so it's probably not so difficult for him to get new identity. Where's the money coming from - that's the burning question for me.
i will be treating cal's backstory like it's some cute gay short film that has no context in the show or any correlation to cal jacobs from now on ok thanks
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@totallyfedup such a mood, that part was honestly surprisingly wholesome, couldn't believe it was the same Cal
@wolferret Mandy Patinkin wanted off the show. They didn't just write him out for no reason... Also, Rossi grows on you over the series. :)
My favorite crime show on TV. The acting is superb and, thankfully, there is not a lot of forensic stuff going on. 10/10
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I completely agree! I've been watching since day one and I still never miss an episode. My favorite things are that they are always accurate with forensics and profiling, also the way they always add in quotes that apply to what's going on with the show at that moment.
This needs to be fixed, the first 6 episodes is for season one. While the last 6 episodes are supposed to be labeled as season two. Overall the show is very fascinating!
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@nikaunni Not true, they're all Season 1, it was just split in two volumes on Netflix.
What an absolutely botched ending to an otherwise strong show. Spoilers: Monica and Darcy are completely tossed aside, Evan Peters is entirely wasted as Quicksilver in favor of a dick joke, the writers show zero creativity in leaving characters to die and Wanda has ultimately learned nothing about her magic, ending the show exactly where she stood 8 years ago before 'Age of Ultron'. What a complete mess devoid of consequences, leaving characters storylines wide open for projects years away instead of tying character arcs up. Wanda apologises to the town members after tortuing them for weeks and we're supposed to feel bad when her fake children are erased? No, sorry, you're responsible for that. Monica really told Wanda the town should be grateful.... after she released them from their torture slavery. Wanda belongs on the Raft, Avengers need bodycams after this abuse. This is exactly what the Sokovia Accords were for. This isn't a show, it's a promotional ad to go see the next Marvel thing. I thought they were doing something special when the show began, embracing the wierd and unexplained magic in the MCU, but by the end the Marvel formula is intact and the story falls into laziness.
Who the hell was the missing person Jimmy Woo had in witness protection to begin with?
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@dastenhero She wasn't aware she was hurting them but it sure seems that she was aware she was mind controlling them! Sure that's better - barely. Like the difference between kidnapping and torturing a whole town vs kidnapping and keeping them unconscious. She thought she was merely (hah!) kidnapping them, turns out she was also torturing them. The only reason anyone is not seeing her as an outright villain, if one with a sad backstory is that the show is doing backflips trying to present her as not so bad. And still rather failing imo.
What an absolutely botched ending to an otherwise strong show. Spoilers: Monica and Darcy are completely tossed aside, Evan Peters is entirely wasted as Quicksilver in favor of a dick joke, the writers show zero creativity in leaving characters to die and Wanda has ultimately learned nothing about her magic, ending the show exactly where she stood 8 years ago before 'Age of Ultron'. What a complete mess devoid of consequences, leaving characters storylines wide open for projects years away instead of tying character arcs up. Wanda apologises to the town members after tortuing them for weeks and we're supposed to feel bad when her fake children are erased? No, sorry, you're responsible for that. Monica really told Wanda the town should be grateful.... after she released them from their torture slavery. Wanda belongs on the Raft, Avengers need bodycams after this abuse. This is exactly what the Sokovia Accords were for. This isn't a show, it's a promotional ad to go see the next Marvel thing. I thought they were doing something special when the show began, embracing the wierd and unexplained magic in the MCU, but by the end the Marvel formula is intact and the story falls into laziness.
Who the hell was the missing person Jimmy Woo had in witness protection to begin with?
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@fbwf Monica didn't say the Westview residents should be 'grateful', she said they shouldn't hate Wanda because she sacrificed a lot, and her actions came from grief. I disagree that she should be on the Raft, Wanda created the hex entirely by accident and was a tortured soul, before she was forced to confront it in the episode's climax. She wasn't a dangerous person when she placed people under the hex, she was misunderstood.
What an absolutely botched ending to an otherwise strong show. Spoilers: Monica and Darcy are completely tossed aside, Evan Peters is entirely wasted as Quicksilver in favor of a dick joke, the writers show zero creativity in leaving characters to die and Wanda has ultimately learned nothing about her magic, ending the show exactly where she stood 8 years ago before 'Age of Ultron'. What a complete mess devoid of consequences, leaving characters storylines wide open for projects years away instead of tying character arcs up. Wanda apologises to the town members after tortuing them for weeks and we're supposed to feel bad when her fake children are erased? No, sorry, you're responsible for that. Monica really told Wanda the town should be grateful.... after she released them from their torture slavery. Wanda belongs on the Raft, Avengers need bodycams after this abuse. This is exactly what the Sokovia Accords were for. This isn't a show, it's a promotional ad to go see the next Marvel thing. I thought they were doing something special when the show began, embracing the wierd and unexplained magic in the MCU, but by the end the Marvel formula is intact and the story falls into laziness.
Who the hell was the missing person Jimmy Woo had in witness protection to begin with?
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@niquarl "Anyway" are you kidding? Theyre still human beings. And they were Wakandan aid workers there to save lives. She saved lives below yes but ended Wakandan lives in their place. I'm side Cap so im not saying they shouldnt have been there, but Wanda has never shown awareness or regard for the destruction she can cause to others around her. At the end of the day she hasn't learned after repeated incidents and is dangerous.
What an absolutely botched ending to an otherwise strong show. Spoilers: Monica and Darcy are completely tossed aside, Evan Peters is entirely wasted as Quicksilver in favor of a dick joke, the writers show zero creativity in leaving characters to die and Wanda has ultimately learned nothing about her magic, ending the show exactly where she stood 8 years ago before 'Age of Ultron'. What a complete mess devoid of consequences, leaving characters storylines wide open for projects years away instead of tying character arcs up. Wanda apologises to the town members after tortuing them for weeks and we're supposed to feel bad when her fake children are erased? No, sorry, you're responsible for that. Monica really told Wanda the town should be grateful.... after she released them from their torture slavery. Wanda belongs on the Raft, Avengers need bodycams after this abuse. This is exactly what the Sokovia Accords were for. This isn't a show, it's a promotional ad to go see the next Marvel thing. I thought they were doing something special when the show began, embracing the wierd and unexplained magic in the MCU, but by the end the Marvel formula is intact and the story falls into laziness.
Who the hell was the missing person Jimmy Woo had in witness protection to begin with?
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@dastenhero So you're just dismissing any long-lasting psychological trauma she may have caused to the townspeople, including children?! They should just understand that she was grieving and cut her some slack?!
Would you have said the same if this was about a male serial kidnapper or rapist?
What an absolutely botched ending to an otherwise strong show. Spoilers: Monica and Darcy are completely tossed aside, Evan Peters is entirely wasted as Quicksilver in favor of a dick joke, the writers show zero creativity in leaving characters to die and Wanda has ultimately learned nothing about her magic, ending the show exactly where she stood 8 years ago before 'Age of Ultron'. What a complete mess devoid of consequences, leaving characters storylines wide open for projects years away instead of tying character arcs up. Wanda apologises to the town members after tortuing them for weeks and we're supposed to feel bad when her fake children are erased? No, sorry, you're responsible for that. Monica really told Wanda the town should be grateful.... after she released them from their torture slavery. Wanda belongs on the Raft, Avengers need bodycams after this abuse. This is exactly what the Sokovia Accords were for. This isn't a show, it's a promotional ad to go see the next Marvel thing. I thought they were doing something special when the show began, embracing the wierd and unexplained magic in the MCU, but by the end the Marvel formula is intact and the story falls into laziness.
Who the hell was the missing person Jimmy Woo had in witness protection to begin with?
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@fbwf I thought there were wasted opportunities, yes, but I cried my eyes out at the ending. I'm really not sure why it isn't evident why she's not a bad person - yes, she caused the problem. Yes, she is at fault and is responsible. Yes, she should have apologized, and yes, she should probably be held accountable. That being said, what she did to the townspeople was not permanent. The worst she did physically was choke everyone by accident. She's mentally ill, vulnerable, and grieving the loss of the only person in her life who could truly provide her comfort. All she wanted was a normal life - she didn't actually mean to hurt anyone and she's horrified when she realizes that her actions are hurting the townsfolk. This is explicitly established when she denies their cries and argues that she is taking care of them and that they are happy under her protection. It's a major step on boundaries and human rights for her to pull her stunt, but she's also in need of love and therapy, not more human rejection. While it's understandable that the humans would be upset - and in fact, they should be - I still don't think that makes her RAFT worthy. She fixed her mistakes once she made them, even though they hurt her a lot.
Terribly boring. Doubt I’ll continue past episode 2. Just uninteresting and not funny.
update: watched the entire series.
still uninteresting, still not funny, the only thing worse than this in the MCU is Captain Marvelloading replies
@tsommerf i dont get how people dont get that it isnt supposed to be a comedy show. Whooosh right over your head.
What's Harvey Dent aka Two face doing here? :joy:
Awesome episode. Really enjoyed it. :thumbsup_tone2:
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@kajju_kay I was more like: what’s West (from heroes) doing here? :rofl:
Honestly not sure what I was getting into starting this movie. Obviously I am one of the many that are drawn to this because of its stacked cast haha. This movie has a lot of ground to cover; not only is it based off of a book (which is already a challenge in general), it also spans the course of 20 years with like, six separate arcs. It's not surprising that some characters seem a bit shallow compared to others just because of the need to cram as much as possible into a two hour movie. While it's disappointing not being able to dive deep into these characters, the actors do a stellar job at giving us a glimpse. I think every casting choice was perfect, to be honest. Tom Holland leaves behind the dorky cuteness of Spider-Man to fully shine as a twisted protagonist caught in a pressuring, depressing environment. Robert Pattinson blew me away. What the HECK was that accent. I loved it. LMAO.
What really gets me with the film isn't just its overall depressing themes— it's how all those themes tie back to God and religion. Be warned this tackles tough stuff head on: extreme violence, murder, sexual assault/rape, animal abuse, & suicide are all in there. It's frustrating seeing all these characters justify their hypocritical actions with religious intent. It's depressing seeing the more good-hearted characters be gaslit with twisted religious reason. Please do not get me started on Pattinson's character arc, HA. What's worse is that all of these messages that are spread under the guise of the grace of God/God's will/what the Bible says, is that it's not really dramatized. This crap is coursing through Christianity to this day. I was constantly extremely uncomfortable throughout the movie. I started to go down a spiral of just wanting Tom Holland to kill everyone and get it over with, similar to the descent into madness you feel in the Joker as you either cheer Joaquin Phoenix on or wince as he laughs and cries. Either way, this film is definitely a think piece. Does it toe the line of just being trauma porn? Yeah. I think it depends on who you are as a person and how you view it as to whether or not it crosses that line. Catch your pastor preaching about this movie next week lol.
But uhh....BACK TO GENERAL STUFF. The score is absolutely phenomenal. I adored the music. The cinematography is subtle and gorgeous, and the set and costume design seamlessly build this small town world where everyone is related to everyone...ah, gotta love white people. While it is a slower film, I didn't find it to be boring. The suspense and tension built little by little serves for some great showdowns and climaxes between characters. It's a good watch for the cast and if you're into much darker pieces, but it's definitely not for everyone.
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@charlie-r I definitely see where you're coming from. Is it even possible to interpret the Bible or any other religious text with no bias? Words and meanings have gotten lost and mixed up in translation, leaving scholars arguing over the tiniest things that make a world of difference in what a text is saying. People will find comfort in anything they can, and religion is one of the easiest options...but obviously in this movie, people went a little too far with that haha.
Honestly not sure what I was getting into starting this movie. Obviously I am one of the many that are drawn to this because of its stacked cast haha. This movie has a lot of ground to cover; not only is it based off of a book (which is already a challenge in general), it also spans the course of 20 years with like, six separate arcs. It's not surprising that some characters seem a bit shallow compared to others just because of the need to cram as much as possible into a two hour movie. While it's disappointing not being able to dive deep into these characters, the actors do a stellar job at giving us a glimpse. I think every casting choice was perfect, to be honest. Tom Holland leaves behind the dorky cuteness of Spider-Man to fully shine as a twisted protagonist caught in a pressuring, depressing environment. Robert Pattinson blew me away. What the HECK was that accent. I loved it. LMAO.
What really gets me with the film isn't just its overall depressing themes— it's how all those themes tie back to God and religion. Be warned this tackles tough stuff head on: extreme violence, murder, sexual assault/rape, animal abuse, & suicide are all in there. It's frustrating seeing all these characters justify their hypocritical actions with religious intent. It's depressing seeing the more good-hearted characters be gaslit with twisted religious reason. Please do not get me started on Pattinson's character arc, HA. What's worse is that all of these messages that are spread under the guise of the grace of God/God's will/what the Bible says, is that it's not really dramatized. This crap is coursing through Christianity to this day. I was constantly extremely uncomfortable throughout the movie. I started to go down a spiral of just wanting Tom Holland to kill everyone and get it over with, similar to the descent into madness you feel in the Joker as you either cheer Joaquin Phoenix on or wince as he laughs and cries. Either way, this film is definitely a think piece. Does it toe the line of just being trauma porn? Yeah. I think it depends on who you are as a person and how you view it as to whether or not it crosses that line. Catch your pastor preaching about this movie next week lol.
But uhh....BACK TO GENERAL STUFF. The score is absolutely phenomenal. I adored the music. The cinematography is subtle and gorgeous, and the set and costume design seamlessly build this small town world where everyone is related to everyone...ah, gotta love white people. While it is a slower film, I didn't find it to be boring. The suspense and tension built little by little serves for some great showdowns and climaxes between characters. It's a good watch for the cast and if you're into much darker pieces, but it's definitely not for everyone.
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@nomegan Agree with your synopsis wholeheartedly, well, except I didn't see any animal abuse, just that the father, in his misguided attempt at understanding religion thought killing a perfectly good dog was a good sacrifice to offer to God to resurrect his dead wife.
What it ultimately says to me: That religion is so subjective, in that everyone interprets it to suit their own agenda. I don't believe in a mythical man that lives in the skies, unless an alien race visited from the sky a long time ago and our current world religions are the local people's interpretation of them as "Gods". No proof of either, so I am skeptical either way. Ultimately, this film was done well, but says to me that religion is full of the depraved of society that want to be comforted and absolved of guilt for their sins against others.
I expected to get some questions answered and I got almost none of them answered. To say a few:
-Why did Thomas do what he did and more importantly what did he do? This was not elaborated on at all other than the few vague lines and scenes we got on the 1st movie
-Why/How did Thomas and Theresa end up in the maze?
-Was WCKD good or bad? (Maybe this was let up to the viewer)
-What was the whole point of attacking the city other than cool explosions and action shots? This didn’t seem to be a major plot point especially with Thomas being there, Also, who was Lawrence? and why purpose did he serve other than none?
-How did no one at WCKD know about Thomas’s “special immunity”? You’d think they’d test their employees before hiring them given the circumstances.
-Why did it seem like not everyone was on the same page about the cure? That was the purpose of WCKD right?
-Why did Theresa even “betray” them in the first place? I get she just wanted to find a cure but what?I feel like it had potential but it just devolved into mostly mindless action scenes and facepalm moments ( Like Theresa’s death I mean COME ON ) that just watered down the conclusion of a story that had so much potential and had me so interested in the beginning although I will admit Gally's return did surprise me. Nevertheless we never got the Thomas/Ava moment I was hoping for which, in turn, could have also lead to some of explanations to the above questions. Some of the side characters are just there to tug hearts ( RIP Newt ) or to just be there so you have some known faces to look at. All in all not a terrible conclusion to the saga but also not a great one… Just a cliché fest which comes expected with this sort of source material so no mayor points docked there for my taste. Kudos for the VFX, Some of the score and the Direction.
1>3>2
P.S The bus crane scene has been added to my not-even-a-tiny-bit-belivable scenes list cause I don’t care how much movies play around with stuff like physics but they gotta at least try for me. I’m sorry, all of those kids would have died.
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I'll just simply answer your questions trying my best to mostly talk about the movies not the books. Probably you've already found your answers in the net but I like the series so maybe I'll help whomever.
1) What Thomas did and why was explained (soo quickly) in the end of Scorch Trials, when Mary told everyone that the last time she saw Thomas was when he gave her all the adressess and other things about WCKD and that he did it bc he told her he has enough of the ways WCKD deals with finding the cure
To answer also the 2nd question, Mary also suggests that this is why WCKD threw Thomas into the maze, I figure the same and that they don't have to waste him via prison or murder bc he betrayed them. But to answer this question truthfuly i would give you a major spoiler from books where in is explained to the bone. that Teresa and Thomas created the whole Maze and they knew they will be the last to go there, it was planned all along that they will be the test subjects as well.
3. I think so myself. Frankly, I just watched the movie and I cannot be more conflicted. after reading the series I hated WCKD but after watching the last movie ... They stand for the same way of saving people as the 90% of main characters after who I would stand for and root for in such movies. But simply, I just hated Teresa in both, movies and books, so I cannot root for WCKD xD
4. Lawrence was the guy without a nose. In the books, he was a Crank bully with maybe 3 others to "lead", he had one of the best scenes in the Scorch Trials. He made me fear the heck out of the Cranks not bc they are like zombies but they're "intelligently" mad and ruthless. In the movie he's plot (I figure) is only to literally take dwn WCKD so he brought the best guns t do it. He didn't plan much above the brute force.
5. It was hinted not explained exactly, as I recall in the movies. It was bc of the Maze experience that they could think of trying to do the serum. I think it was in other movies when Ava talked about the brains and the processess that happen in the brain which makes the best possibility of the cure. They couldn't tell before what really make an immune person so they had to gave the same experiences at the same level (amnesia - when you forget all your previous experiences) to figure out what exactly is making an immune person. At the end they were still thinking that all immune people after the horrible experiences could make a cure, but as well as in other things, nature is picky, like there are only carriers of diseases who will never get sick, here there are immunes who will never get sick and a kind of immune-carrier who can make others feel better. Imo ofc
6. If you're talking about Ava/Janson example it is simply that Ava was all about the cure, no price is too big, where Janson was all about power. He wanted to be immune and have the power to give immunity to people he chooses (who can give him the most). If you're talking about why Ava and Teresa had to have meetings with sponsors it's about the research. As they've said. They gave them time and resources but they didn't make anything resembling a cure, so they finally thought about investing in gathering the remains of the healthy people (which I think they should do at the beginning)
7. I hate her so I can get this wrong :D Before the Maze she was strongly with WCKD as is shown when she doesn't understand what Thomas did and why when WCKD took him from her, when he met her in some white room or sth. She forget everything but after they left the Maze she started to remember. Like she said, after seeing her mum she became strongly invested in helping others, that noone have to go through the same thing she did. And she "betrayed" them bc she knew there wasn't talking them down, and she wated the immunes from the maze so she couldn't simply walk away and leave them to their lives. She's similar to ava, she could risk everything for the cure, no matter the cost.
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Say what you will. Even though this episode wasn't the series finale. I'd have been more than content even if it was. That end montage. Ah. It's good to remember the good old days
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@rahila soon its time for a re-watch. Starting with episode 1 :)
Why would you gamble with another 25-30 years when you only have 4 years left of your sentence? That's a terrible ratio.
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@thoroughmas Maybe that was the point! Thinks himself so smart but he's really not.
Why would you gamble with another 25-30 years when you only have 4 years left of your sentence? That's a terrible ratio.
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@balazs955 He is indeed as they say a terrible businessman!
