An uncomfortable subject matter for an old fogey like me, it took awhile for me to get thru it.
But, holy cow! I had tears in my eyes at the near end!
One of the best single episodes I’ve seen in a long long time! Nick offerman and Murray Bartlett are fantastic as bill and frank!
I think it’s a bit of a plot hole to expect them to not be over run by someone at some point but it doesn’t detract at all from the episode!
A 15 out of 10!
Episode 3 was maybe the best character driven story in any zombie tv show ever written, even without any zombies in the episode (well, none that were pivotal to the plot, anyhow). Bill and Frank were lucky to find each other. Bill wouldn't have made it all that much longer on his own.
Those who rate it with a 1 because A) think a love story that also connects to the main characters doesn't serve this show or B) think this love story is put in so HBO can check the 'lhbt inclusion' box are so wrong. A) well, self-explanatory, B) as someone who's gay and anti-woke I can say this is nowhere near propaganda. It's beautifully written and performed and it serves the story so well. I didn't expect to cry so much in a zombie-themed series and definitely wasn't ready for it! For those who missed zombie action, I think there will be plenty of killin' in the following episodes.
The nod to James Bond in the soundtrack while MacGyver is getting all dressed up for the casino did not go unnoticed.
Still one of the best pilots of all time.
now he older and taller its getting retarded not cute and funny n e more
My favorite quote of the entire season: Second law of thermodynamics. Eventually, everything turns to shit.
Major F up by the detective and ops running the raid. To protect the informant, you just zip tie her up like everyone else transport them all together and separate her out like a regular interrogation. The way they did it, they should have just stenciled "SNITCH - Kill me first!" on her forehead.
@Vassilis - All narcissistic demagogic psychos from Jim Jones, to David Koresh, to the Heavens Gate Cult think that what their doing is justified because only "THEY" are in possession of the secret / sacred knowledge that will save humankind. They are blinded by their own ego and hubris, and, those who follow such deluded people are made to feel "privileged" and special because they are in possession of knowledge the peons don't have, thus, the peons become expendable as collateral damage when "the revolution" comes, whether the end comes at the point of a gun, the hangman's rope, the killing fields, or intergalactic aliens scheduled to arrive eons after they have become dust. "If ONE of us survives..., ALL of us survive". ....SO SAY WE ALL!
Did anyone else feel like Marlon Brando's spirit was just off-camera, his eyes fixed in silence on Vicerys, during every moment Paddy Considine graced the screen? I certainly haven't seen anything quite like it since Brando breathed both life and death into Don Corleone in The Godfather. It really is one of the best barometers available for anyone's skill at acting, to portray a character first with their vitality intact, and then again as it's slipping away. It cuts against the grain of that which each of us struggles so hard to deny and forestall: time's inexorable march towards our diminishment and eventual death.
It was a rare privilege to see Paddy Considine bring Vicerys full circle in this episode. He's shown us that even strong kings are deeply flawed, and also that it is in overcoming those flaws from time to time, when it matters most, that was the source of their strength all along. Bravo, Mr. Considine, you did Brando proud and will be sorely missed.
The nanofiber scene was awesome, better than the "Ghost Ship" one (remember that) or "Cube".
But i'm confused in many ways. Did they really expect to destroy everything but the little USB disk to survive ?
If they have never evolved, how did they have such technology ?
The magic has gone I think. It feels like a Netflix show now.
Ye Wenjie's graveyard chat with Saul is the most mind boggling change from the books. Seriously, what does that dry joke have to do with the dark forest hypothesis?
They used the word retard. Lol it. It’s a classic word that needs to come back.
As someone "smart" Saul is easily the dumbest person on the show. Why did they write him like this?
Am I crazy or did some of the dialogue audio get messed up in this episode? Almost like something very slightly muffling the audio of Jin and the shooter.
I've read the book series. This first season does a really good job adapting the first book. I was pleasantly surprised at how good the special effects are. And they did a great job with the casting, the actor Hewei Yu completely transforms into the cop Shi Qiang.
After five seasons, I'm still struggling to recall a single bridge crew member's name. This portrayal doesn't quite capture the essence of what "Trek" means to me. It feels more aligned with the rapid pace demanded by today's short attention spans, reminiscent of the JJ Abrams universe. This stands in stark contrast to the rich narratives and character development of classics like Next Gen and DS9. There's a notable absence of thought-provoking storylines akin to "In The Pale Moonlight." Instead, it seems geared towards mindless entertainment, earning a solid 8/10 for action-packed television but falling short with a mere 3/10 as a representative Trek episode.
It might look and smell like star trek but this is not star trek
Yes, it is still complete garbage. The only good thing about it is that it was short and didn't waste too much of my time.
Five minutes into the episode, I'm reminded of how much and why I hate this show so much. Tonally off from Star Trek, can't stand most of the characters. Writing doesn't seem to be doing any of the actors any favors. Also, did this just set up the final season being what was done in one episode of TNG? I mean, I suppose it makes sense that what Picard can do in less than an hour, it'll take the crew of Discovery to do in 10.
I'm loving this season, because I missed this about Star Trek, travelling to other worlds and experiencing strange and wonderful cultures. What a treat this episode is, and the fact that it is Tilly who stays in the race and wins is so, SO meaningful - for her own personal battle of indecision, as well as for the pointed remark about whether questionable athleticism always determines physical prowess.
Interestingly, the race itself, as well as the outcome reminds me of a popular religious quote (appropriate since Discovery is currently on a spiritual quest), from Ecclesiastes 9:11 - "I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise nor wealth to the brilliant nor favor to the learned; but time and chance happen to them all. Basically, "appearances can be deceiving", because who might outwardly appear a shoe-in for success, may not be, and the least likely candidate may surprise you. If you are in the right place, at the right time and have the will to endure - anything is possible.
I loved the culture of the people on this new planet. Episode was very fun to watch and enjoy!
The doctor leaves the series well and returns in the penultimate episode with cancer, my god I hate ABC so much
This was just Awesome! Do you remember wenn Forest asks Katie if the others even have an idea what they are really working on? That was his plan! From the beginning! Well, not the moment of death, but creating the perfect world. Based on the collected data from the simulation. That is also the reason why he was so sure about himself when he said a messiah ressurrects. For him, it was never about looking into the future in the first place. Also, beeing a Simulation which is self aware of the situation, threatend to be shut down would make a great plot for season two. Even if the pace was quite slow sometimes, the plot was complex and well thought with a lot of hints for this ending, scattered across the whole season.
Not a very satisfying ending. Could’ve been left more up to the interpretation of the viewer a lot more. Overall a cool looking and sounding show which didn’t quite stick the landing but asked some cool questions in the process
An interesting philosophical and religious proposal that loses strength in the development. The behavior of some characters is not convincing and the ending is inconsistent. We have the feeling that it's a series that takes itself too seriously.
Gosh, I can watch her for ours. She's romantic (even Chakotay clearly isn't). Another great performance of Ryan. Although exploring this side of Ryan is intriguing, this episode is still kind of boring. As much as I understand her reasons why she uses the holo-deck as a safe training ground, why didn't they come up with a real love story? Why again a holo-addiction? Why another "commanding officer" who is pursuing love in a virtual world? Why so many clichés? Cooking, piano music, candles? Chocolate and roses, anyone? Is that really how Seven would copy others? Why can't they tell a normal, regular and believable love story?
I don't know what the were aiming at with this but this was extremely weird at times.
Weak writing, some of these episodes. oh if we get all the ships in the plasma cloud we can blow them all up! this [task] is impossible, but... maybe ... :person_facepalming:♂
They also handed the camera to a 5-year-old. The amount of shaky cam is unbearable.
