What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@xander75 Maybe they aren't sure there'll be another season. I could absolutely see this being the end of this show with Mando making appearances in other creations that are yet to come. They already said he's no longer the focus of the show. And you know what, I think I would be OK with that.
I'm getting tired of this show now.
- The deal between Boba and Jabba's old captains makes zero sense
- There's a scene where a wookie attacks some trandoshians for seemingly no reason (other than he was bored?) just so Boba could hire him.
- Why wasn't the flashback in episodes 1 or 2?!
5/10
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@clobby-clobsters I think Wookies have a natural dislike for Trandoshans. There is history between the two. And in this case maybe Krrsantan was treated bad by one when he was captured.
Not a bad show by any means but if I'm honest I liked WandaVision more. I feel like I am missing a lot of background.
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@paulvincent83 I totally understand your point. But I only remember very basic things from the movies and when they talk about stuff here I don't think I get everything. And they seem to be drawing from the comics which I don't know at all. That's not the shows fault. And you're right, this and WandaVision are two different animals. Wanda just had me more intrigued.
Nevertheless I will continue watching. Maybe everything falls into place at the end.
Maybe it’s going to be an issue in the next episode, but Mando left his jet pack on the hillside, and never retrieved it. If he had, he would have been able to get to Grogu in time.
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@linrey "If he had, he would have been able to get to Grogu in time."
and that's why he had to drop it in the first place. But my guess is he'll still have it. We just didn't see him picking it up.
Wanted to see what all the buzz was about... I've watched 5 episodes and got bored out of my mind. Feels like it's targeted for teenagers.
It has a very simplistic take to it: ultra-hyper-dramatization of very basic concepts and bad behaviors of a minority of people. Reviews say it raises questions about society and politics but does not provide arguments or details either way. The stories are sometimes interesting but lack any depth and in the end, it's the idea that counts, or so they say. Just presenting basic questions with no details and some vague/weird drama only makes people argue and thus promoting the series. I find it pretentious.
One of the society satires i enjoy is South Park which most of the times present quite a complete picture about a topic with multiple perspectives and arguments. Compared to South Park at that, Black Mirror is kind of showing you only what the main character(s) see.
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@billzy one of the concepts today I don't get is attacking people for voicing a different opinion then your own. You like it, fine. Someone else doesn't, equally fine. Your last sentence is totally unnessessary.
Did they really need to bring Karen back? she was completely unnecessary in this episode
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@abstractlegend storywise I agree. But it was nice to see her anyway for (maybe) the last time. Since there will be no Daredevil and possible no more Punisher.
Somehow, I always found Zach entertaining. He's too damn dumb to not chuckle a bit whenever he's around. Rajesh's story, on the other hand, is getting quite tiresome. But I guess everything in this show that envolves relationships has been getting tiresome for quite some seasons. Heck, for me, that's the one thing that ruined this show.
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@misnomer The problem, from where I stand in regards to the relationships, is that not everyone has them. In real life there are people who don't have a partner or are married and are lucky. This show has taken the approach that being on your own is bad and pitiful and that's what I don't like.
It is the 25th century and people continue to use weak password, some have to tell Picard that picard-0-0-0-0 it is not a good password
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@rodrigoma Well, one could argue that the safety of said password lies in the fact it's so outlandish and stupid that no one would believe they actually use it. :wink:
This episode was lots of dirt flying everywhere, the sound of shots being fired and people yelling.
It's all very confusing, and the fact that it feels like there's 50 different characters doesn't help.The ony face/name connection I can make is Winters'. Of all the other's I have no idea who is who.
I do like how it's all very desaturated. It gives the show this bleak, old-timey feeling.
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@abtr The ony face/name connection I can make is Winters'. Of all the other's I have no idea who is who.
It's interesting you see it that way because I always thought this is how it's supposed to be. I watch it for the third time and I always felt the story is told through Winter's eyes. In war soldiers come and go and you do forget a lot of them.
I don't know if you continued watching but if not I think you should. Granted, this show is not for everyone. But I think it's one of the best that's ever been produced.
Please don't suck, please don't suck, please don't suck...
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@genetai When I first heard they are doing a new Trek show I was over the moon. When I read about it in the month following my enthusiasm somewhat deminished. It won´t be the Trek of old of that I´m certain. It still can be good.
Sabine is so weak. She gave up so easily. And she should’ve listened to Ahsoka and destroyed the key. What’s more important the fate of the galaxy or one guy
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@nox32 Furthermore I would not expect the Sabine from "Rebels" act like this. Ezra told her that he could count on her. However I do not think he meant that she should find him but to honor his decision and protect Lothal and the Galaxy. He knew that finding him means finding Thrawn as well. Therefore, by giving in to Baylan she betrayed Ezra's trust.
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Is that a sequel to The X-Files? To me that whole FBI agent plot (who has encountered a Vulcan reconnaissance team long before Cochrane allegedly made first contact?) seems totally pointless. Is that of any consequence to the main story? Or is Picard just free to go and won't see Fox Mulder ever again? If that's the case this episode is another inconsequential mediocre filler episode for the most part. A 6/10. The other part with the hunt for Jurati and what she tries to use Soong for is probably more important - but that's only a small part of this episode.
The only interesting part is perhaps the Q/Guinan interaction. Since TNG I wonder, where (or when) these two races have crossed each other's paths. I have to admit that I still don't understand Q's game. But Picard and Guinan obviously don't get it either. Jurati (aka the Queen) revealing parts of her plan to Soong is equally mysterious and hard to understand. Let me get this right:
So the Borg, who mysteriously appear from yet another timeline or an extra dimensional pocket of space, summoned Picard in episode 1/2. They almost killed him, so that Q rescued Picard from death (why would the Borg know that's gonna happen?) and hurled him into the alternate "Terran" timeline, that Q branched off from the regular timeline by manipulating Renée in 2024. The Borg knew (Why? And how could they know at this point since Q supposedly created this timeline only after making the decision to rescue Picard?) that in this alternate timeline (which must be yet another timeline than the one the Borg ship emerged from) there was a Borg queen imprisoned by humans. This Borg Queen was the last of her kind in this alternate timeline. She was awaiting her execution. This would mean the total eradication of the Borg in this timeline. They were defeated by mankind. In this alternate reality, this last Borg Queen lured Picard into time traveling to 2024 Earth pretending that's where the timeline could be fixed. She needed Picard to escape from her 24th century execution. For two reasons: she trusted Picard would free her for morale reasons and - of course - alternative Picard was supposed to be her executioner and was the only one who had the chance to liberate her. But in reality this Queen wanted to go back to 2024 to execute her own cunning plan. In 21st century California she wanted to stop Renée (who - for whatever reasons - is a Picard ancestor? It's that important?) so that this dreadful alternative Terran timeline prevails (It's not clear what Q was up to... He wanted to stop Renée, too. Why? Only to branch off the alternate timeline where he'd Picard fling into? His intervention as her shrink must have had the desired effect: before Picard intervened, Q created an alternate path where she was determined not to fly into space and which ultimately led to the universe of in which Picard became this cruel warrior in the first place. Why wanted Q Picard hurl into this terrible version of the universe? I don't get it. And why do the Romulans represented by the watcher try to protect Renée? Or don't they protect - just observe? How do they know that Renée will be important to the future of the galaxy? And if they knew, why doesn't this particular watcher - is she Laris or not? - doesn't have any clue wether it's best to help or stop Renée from being launched into space?) Back to the Queen: She never wanted to revert the timeline back to the timeline Picard came from. That was just a pretense. She wanted to change this timeline in a different way: Her cunning plan is to assimilate Earth before humans will become a threat. Stopping Renée will somehow preserve the Terran timeline (for reasons not known to us 'cause we don't know what the Europa mission will discover) and she knows this (cause she knew what Q has manipulated? How does she know?). Only preserving this Terran timeline will give the Borg Queen the chance to have a 400 years headstart (the other timeline where Renée flies into space won't allow her plan to materialize. Why? Wouldn't that equally allow her to quickly assimilate the whole Earth before Renée is even back from Europa? And if that's so, why didn't she travel to a time in the year 2024 in which the Europa rocket has been launched w/o Renée, who was discouraged by Q anyway?) During this 400 years time period she would have all the time in the world to assimilate humankind. In a couple of decades the rest of the Borg will eventually expand their space into the alpha quadrant (if the timeline we know from TNG and VOY is an indicator when the Borg will be able to reach Earth) and this Borg Queen (or her successors) will reunite with the collective. By keeping the alternate "Terran" timeline intact she would prevent regular's TNG (in which the Borg are also controlling vast stretches of the galaxy) timeline from ever happening. The Borg would dominate humankind in that alternate timeline long before those violent Terrans even started to develop warp technology and ultimately will have had the chance to defeat the Borg. And then there's Soong who seems to be important to both Q and the Borg Queen, right? Why? This part of the story is still shrouded in mysterious fog
Is that the general idea? Hmmm.... probably not even close. But you see my point right? Who is supposed to understand that w/o consulting the Memory Alpha wiki article? When does a plan become too convoluted to be a believable plan? When does a show's plot become too convoluted to be enjoyable?
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@alexlimberg >When does a plan become too convoluted to be a believable plan? When does a show's plot become too convoluted to be enjoyable?
I think we past that point a couple episodes ago.
A strong opener for the new season! Super advanced borg Queen... Used the same line as Picard's mother. Is that supposed to make us think it might be her or simply a tactic since his memories would have been absorbed into the collective at one point when he was assimilated.
As for Q at the end there and 'Road not taken', I'm guessing we're gonna get some alternate timeline fun!
I'm still holding out hope for a Seven x Janeway reunion at one point or another. We've established she's queer already. Now stop this nonsensical romance with Raffi and crack on.
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@reiko_lj Is that supposed to make us think it might be her or simply a tactic since his memories would have been absorbed into the collective at one point when he was assimilated.
I think it's the second. I hope it is because, otherwise, it would be to much drama for no apperent reason. Plus, if his mother would've been in the collective all the time, why did he not sense her as Locutus?
Funny how the episode with the least amount of flashbacks is my favourite. Unfortunately, I've come to ask myself a pressing question: Why should we (or Boba) care whether he keeps control of Mos Espa? In "Star Wars: A New Hope", we cared whether the Rebellion destroyed the Death Star because we knew the Rebellion was stationed on Yavin IV—lives were at stake.
Why should we care if Boba loses Jabba's empire? What's at stake?
7/10
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@clobby-clobsters I think past and present will merge moving forward with the story. Maybe it's just retribution for what happened in the past with the Tusken. The Pikes are involved in the past and present so it could be payback from Fett. But I agree the stakes, right now, are not very clear.
bro, where are they going to take this in season 3. im so intrigued, i have no idea!
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@abstractlegend I think Boba might get a spin-off mini series. I hope in S3 we see Din and Bo go back to Mandalore while paralell we get some scenes of Luke training Kiddo. I can't imagine Disney not staying with the Little Guy as he is one of the main sellers for the show.
Didn't Sabine herself say it can't be turned against Stormtrooper armor just like that before she just did that ? headscratch
Even if the premiere episodes were a bit conventional and predictable (add to that that I already knew Katan will get the Dark Saber). In the origional trilogy there only was Fett and to be honest he didn't leave any impression at all. He was background noise for me. I have to say I really like Mandalorians now. The live action show helped me on that path even if that Mandalorian seems a bit different. It could turn out to be very exciting when the animated Mandos appear on the live action show.
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@mrgoat93 I don't remember the exact words but I was confused. You may very well be right. When I watch it again I will pay closer attention.
Thanks for the reply.
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VIPEP6A wonderful goodbye to a decaying show. After quite a few underwhelming seasons, against all odds, they gave us a genuinely funny and very heartwarming episode. Ain't gonna lie, I shed a tear or two (and not only during Sheldon's Nobel speech). They've truly put some heart into this series finale, there isn't a single thing I can complain about it. The show ended on the highest possible note.
I was prepared to be disappointed by the lack of guest stars in the final episode, but then Buffy the Vampire Slayer :heart:
Twelve seasons is a big chunk of life, and I'm glad to have The Big Bang Theory being a part of mine for this long. I will miss these guys.
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@misnomer I, too, was waiting for some guests to appear. But ultimately they made this finale about the group. And that is how it should be.
Absolutely excellent, probably the best episode of the season so far. Some real edge-of-your-seat enjoyment with stunning visuals.
- This very nicely followed up on Saru's episode of Short Treks (which is now finally on Netflix, although it's hidden away). It seemed to me that Saru was becoming a bit unhinged at moments here but I think he did know what he was really doing, and acted in the best interests of keeping his crew safe. Still, he really did put the ship in danger when he started mouthing off to the Ba'ul when Pike was trying to communicate with them!
- The design of the Ba'ul was incredible and effectively creepy. It reminded me a lot of the creature that killed Tasha Yar back in the classic TNG episode 'Skin of Evil'. I have to wonder if that was intentional.
- Dr. Culber is clearly extremely uncomfortable with his new body and being back on Discovery. I can understand why Stamets might not particularly notice, but the other doctor really should be aware that Culber is going through severe stress/panic psychologically and be trying to offer him help in that regard. No way should he be resuming normal duties yet!
- The Red Angel becomes more intriguing. A time travelling humanoid in a mechanical suit? Tell me more!
- I had assumed that all the plant life growing in Saru's quarters was a holographic projection in the previous episode, but it appears to all be real here.
- Tyler has settled in to a strange role, seemingly at one with the whole Section 31 philosophy mere days after joining up with them.
- I still really want to know what the hell Airiam is!
- Do humans drink tea? If Michael was British then she'd probably be correcting Siranna's brewing methods :p
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@lefthandedguitarist That second point you make - I was thinking about the same line. But remembering what Armus said about those who left him behind I'm not sure I could make a connection. But interesting line of thought.
The FBI dude said they did have any current charges against Matt. They would have never breached his door or put out an "arm and dangerous" without charges.
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@anthoney65 hadn't thought about that. but maybe he didn't wanted to let Foggy know what they have against Matt. Could be strategy.
I hope this weapon is not meant literally but rather as some kind of metaphor.
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@abstractlegend It most certainly is the place, yes. Data storage facility would make sense as it would be kind of a weapon against Delos to gain control about that. But, if William built such a place inside the park then why try to smuggle data out inside Peter Abernathy? Why the sattelite uplink with the Woodcutter ?
What a conclusion. Up to this point, Star Trek has mostly been fumbling with the second halves of the two-part episodes, but this one manages to be satisfying in every way. The shock of Cardassia joining the Dominion is a brilliant moment, prophecised nicely back in 'Rapture' with Sisko's vision of the locusts. It's almost sad to see how Gul Dukat can't understand how he and his planet are being used.
The prison break stuff might be my favourite parts of the episode, though. Worf gets to be extremely Klingon and manages to gain the respect of a Jem'Hadar, which is no small feat. I love that he keeps getting back up even though he's clearly not in any fit state, and that he really can't shrug off the injuries he's sustaining. Meanwhile, Garak gets to shine too when we find out that he's claustrophobic - in his case, he manages to gain the respect of the Klingons, who again are a pretty tough crowd to please.
If the episode feels weak in any areas, it might be the conclusion of the Bashir-Changeling situation. He's going to blow up Bajor's sun by just flying there and sacrificing himself, in the process wiping out significant Federation, Klingon and Romulan fleets. It's a sneaky and very clever tactic by the Dominion that would have worked, but it's execution on screen is a little hard to take seriously. Maybe if Bashir-Changeling had some more dialogue or realisation about how his plan had failed it would have worked better. I'm a bit curious as to why going to warp inside a solar system is a no-no, too.
Nice to see the Klingons finally back on our side. They just feel better as allies.
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@lefthandedguitarist >quote I'm a bit curious as to why going to warp inside a solar system is a no-no, too.
If memory serves me well there are numerous times where it has been done as well as episodes where there are indications it´s a bad idea. Althought you'll find explanations suporting either theory. In the end it might come done to beeing a storytelling tool.
Just let me get two things out of the way I think were weak storytelling.
First, putting the drive on the hub was the stupidest thing to do as it could only lead to her getting caught. It also was illogical as it was clear that they would just override it and/or claim it as false. Granted she didn't know about the Janitor room but she knew there was surveilance everywhere and because of that might reach the conclusion that all those feeds had to be watched somewhere. But the story needs to go on so I'll take it.
Second, its hard to believe that they didn't inspect the stuff they brought to Juliette or they would have found the note. Even not knowing what it meant they would not have let it through. Plus, from a storyelling point of view it was giving too much away. Would have been better to not show it. Instead they could insert a scene when Juliette is about to break down to explain that she didn't die. And speaking of dying, Where are all the others that went out? Does someone actually go out to collect the bodies ?
Now, for the big reveal at the end I have to say I didn't see that coming. After making us believe (and I did) that it is safe outside, not only do we learn it is not, but there are literally dozens of silos out there. Does that mean the whole of mankind lives underground ? My guess is that each one thinks they are the only one and each one does have someone taking care that it stays like that. But we still don't have an idea about why ?
There is one thing I noticed that I want to point out. When Juliette told Holland about the door below he seem genuinely surprised. As if he didn't knew. That was the moment he ended the conversation. Just saying.
So, I don't know the books but from reading elsewhere I understand we barely scratched the surface of the story. I wonder how slow they will go with this one. The second season is already confirmed but thre is always the chance of not getting a third, or forth, or however many they need to play this out.
I sure hope we're not getting left hanging in the air atsome point.
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@misnomer OK, I see your point concerning the bodies. That could be an explanation. But I don't think I saw any bodies in the final overview shot. Need to go back to check that.
For sure something about the tape is different. Remember what Walker said ? That the tape has to be special or why make such a fuzz over the theft ? And I'm sure she switched it.
The door below leading to the other Silos is an intruiging thought It would give sense to Hollands reaction when Julitte told him about it. That's a good point.
Should be interesting to see how this goes on.
Thanks for the reply.
It's disheartening to read comments criticizing the series for not living up to the standards set by previous seasons and for lacking action in some episodes. I advise viewers to have patience because there is undoubtedly a bigger plan in store for the series, masterminded by Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, which will likely involve other shows dedicated to other characters.
i respect differing opinions, but I think it's important to recognize the unique nature of The Mandalorian. It's a show that blends genres and explores the Star Wars universe in exciting ways. It's not just about flashy action scenes, but also about character development and building a world that feels authentic and immersive.
Overall, while some viewers may feel disappointed with certain aspects of the third season, I believe it's worth sticking with the series and giving it a chance to fully unfold. With Filoni and Favreau at the helm, I have no doubt that there are some exciting surprises and twists in store for us.
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@andreas1138 I agree with the spirit of what you've said. I, too, have faith in Dave and John but this season often made me wonder if they still have uncontested creativ control.
I also felt there was at times too much action, there was hardly an episode without it. And for me it often felt like action without purpose, just there to be there.
The season still showed flashes of greatness, and maybe I'm expecting to much from each and every episode, but overall it was a bit of a downer.
The look of the Inquisitor is similar to an original concept for Kylo Ren and it's really cool.
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@andreas1138 He reminded me of Darth Nihilus at first and had a resemblance to Grevious. But I guess many of the concepts not used for one thing are used then for another. Why not, makes no sense to throw them away.
Best episode ever because lightsaber fight !
Seriously ?! It was in parts better but it couldn't save the show as a whole.
OK, I admit I was wrong and there was another match between them. And it was better then the first. But no stupid writing ? Why did Vader just leave Obi-Wan under the rocks ? He couldn't feel he was still alive ? Well, he couldn't feel him sneaking up behind him, couldn't he ? But he knew he was on the little ship. And if that is how it went down why didn't Obi-Wan just kill Vader right there? Could have saved the galaxy lots of trouble. He clearly had accepted that Anakin was gone, he even called him "Darth" (which by the way is wrong because that's a title, the name would be Vader). And they now established that the Empire, and Vader, knew all the time that Kenobi was alive and where he was.
Luke having no memory of being chased in the night by a lady with a crimson lightsaber ? OK, maybe it's one of those selected memory losses.
Reva standing on the surface of Tattoine after taking a lightsaber in her guts just mere hours before ? How is that not convinient writing ? And wanna bet we see her again? Maybe in a spin-off?
Qui-Gon appearing at the end was nice but ultimately useless. This final episode was just ticking up boxes to preserve canon but it also creates logical errors by doing so. And there was never any danger towards the characters.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but after watching what I had high hopes for, I can only say it would have been better it didn't happen.
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Calling him Darth is probably a reference to A New Hope, where Kenobi calls Vader like that.
OK, that slipped my mind. Could be, yes.
I wanted the fight to end with Obi Wan believing that Vader could turn to the light again... maybe having a vision of the future where Anakin kills the Emperor.
There's an idea I could get behind. That's actually a great thought. Or it could have been Qui-Gon's voice telling him "He will bring balance to the Force, Obi-Wan". That would mean, though, they had used Qui-Gon more in the show. At least put something in to make sense of that decision to leave him alive. He went in with a "either he dies or I do" attitude and when he has Vader beaten he just leaves.
Is that the end of Crimson Countess already?
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@gabriel1c I don't see how she could came back from being burned to a crisp.
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VIPEP6Do androids dream of electric sheep?
I could use a recap, it's been too long...
Sadly, this episode did feel to sit somewhat below the usual quality standard that The Orville has got us used to in previous seasons (some editing and pacing issues and the odd character reaction/dialogue), but I'll give them a break, since they've probably got a bit rusty after all this time away.
But, all in all, I'm so happy to have this crew back, and still feeling as trekkie as ever!
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@misnomer Yeah, I think some scenes were stretching a bit. I've heard McFarlane talking they are a making a mini movie now each weak. So, probably not the usual 45 min format. There's a lot of chatter about what is going to happen this season and I'm very excited, too. And if the season is succesfull he's open to do more.
The story was still great in this one. And I love how they doing it without the glitz and glammer and the noise a certain other franchise is using. :wink:
So did John become "special" because he touched the artifact as a child or did he found it because he had something in him from birth ?
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@skycitycz maybe the drawings were his subconscious reactions to the artifact calling out to him.
Review by Alexander von Limberg
Vic Fontaine ain't got shit on her...
I somehow like this episode, because everyone is so well dressed and has a good time at that party. Plus I like the title - this Borg designation makes a lot of sense. This tells you a lot about this episode's shortcomings though if that's why I like this episode. Why doesn't this show happen in space? Or in the distant future? I get why Rios is excited about matches but I'm not half as excited as he is 'cause I've seen matches and "real" cigars before. Why does that feel like I'm watching 007 partying in Montenegro? Still don't understand the story. Q wants Soong to stop both Picards (as if he wasn't the omnipotent being here) and that's the only reason why the crew tried to help Renée to begin quarantine . Except maybe Q nobody knows why they are doing what they are doing and I don't get it either. I mean, they jumped to 2024 cause someone told them that there's a watcher who will tell them how to fix the broken arrow of time. But even that watcher doesn't really know what they are supposed to do and whether this timeline is actually manipulated as we speak - perhaps Renée was always having doubts no matter whether Q was her shrink or not. Maybe she is supposed to fly into space in ten days - maybe she isn't. Most of that still makes no sense to me. I mean this episode is maybe strangely entertaining (for the reasons I began my review with), but it also feels totally unnecessary. I mean, what really happened? Picard is in a coma (which maybe is more relevant than we might know yet) and Jurati turned into some kind of possessed Dark Knight in a sexy costume - but we knew that before this episode. That's basically it. And again they don't know what to do with Raffi, Rios and Annika. They are only there for doing some small talk it seems.
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@alexlimberg Completely agree with your assessment but Q has lost his power which is why he needs Soong to do his dirty work for him. As to the reason why he lost his power - that is unknown at this point.
So, let me see what we got here.
A stupid "hommage" scene to Star Trek IV that wasn't funny.
A muscle packed Guinan who's given up on humanity. Since Q changed the actual timeline and not created a fantasy, how does that actually work that she doesn't recognize Picard althought they have met in "Time's Arrow" ?
A totally unnecessary car chase scene with the usual amount of smart comments. Seems like Raffi and Seven are now the comedic relief.
More on-the-nose comments about contemporary earth. I miss the old episodes where you actually had to use your brain to make connections instead of being served pre-chewed food on a silver plate.
And at the end we see Orla Brady as (supposedly) The Watcher. Something that, in my opinion, seems to be just to have a role for her to play. Because I don't believe she's anything else than the Laris we've seen so far in the normal timeline.
I do feel sorry for Annie Wersching who's only hanging around (literally) instead of actually doing something.
It's a mess at this point.
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@himojukebox Ahhh, if there is one thing you can rely on it's someone being offended by another one's view and retaliating with an offending comment. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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