There's been a lot of backlash from fans on this one, but I actually disagree. I actually liked this one better than the first one of this trilogy. It differs from other Star Wars movies in the fact that it doesn't take itself too seriously. Most Star Wars movies are serious and broody (and I am a hard core Star Wars fan, I grew up on Star Wars movie marathons, so that's not a complaint, just a fact). And so I can see where some of the sillier or humorous moments seem out of place. You also see a very different Luke which doesn't quite live up to the legend. But I felt a lot of these differences were a good thing. We've opened things up. We're done replicating and copying past movies and we're moving on. So, it's hard, but necessary. Overall, a good movie, fun to watch with some super exciting scenes to balance out some of the sillier scenes.
I liked it.
It's not perfect. It's not the "Empire Strikes Back". But it is a good movie.
There are many things I did not like. First of all, the plethora of comedic moments. One or two can improve a serious movie, but there were too many of them here. Then the scene in which Leia floats in space, without an explanation whatsoever, what the hell? . The writing could have been better, some lines of dialogue didn't really click with me.
But, there are also many positives. The overall story is nice. Kylo/Ben managing to do what Vader failed to, killing and replacing his master, was a really nice scene.
The acting was good, although a bit over the top sometimes.
The cinematography was great. The scenes on the frozen planet looked stunning and the CGI of the various ships was super cool. There were some CGI animals/creatures, but I did not find in them the charm aliens had in the original movies.
I liked it. I had a smile on my face as soon as the opening scroll started. Yes, there were predictable parts. But, I felt the movie kept going forward, and the visuals were outstanding. The space battles blew my mind; loved it. I also enjoyed the acting, and the introduction of new characters. I thought it was an improvement from The Force Awakens; now that was a predictable movie. I was able to avoid seeing the trailer before the movie, too. That was a first in a long time.
I really didn't realise how much I was looking forward to this movie until I was about half way through.
Awesome continuation of the saga. Although some of the negative fan criticism it’s still over all a good movie.
I really liked it!
This movie was AWESOME!
I miss Carrie Fisher. She was so talented.
Luke at the end was AMAZING!
Finn and Rose were so good working together.
Rey is so powerful. Poe was genius.
I want to see more.
a decent enough entry in the star wars franchise, and thankfully, not as much nostalgia this time around. disappointed with how easily Snoke was despatched, and the scene where Leia survives being in space by using the force was cringeworthy and almost made me laugh. take away the star wars name, and you have a decently good sci-fi adventure
It's not a total copy like The force awakens was. It has a kinda original story. However there's only one action happening from beginning to end (+ 2 side adventures, but still), I always find this a lazy way of creating a false sense of urgency instead of building a real story.
It even plays with the way the previous one was a clone: the starting text and situation is exactly Empire strikes back. And the endin one too. With even a soldier emphasizing that it's salt. Like hey look at it, it's not snow, this is not Hoth, got you
Kylo and Rey interactions are a great thing. The most original and interesting part of the story. Some unexpected directions at some points, but ends up a little cliche. Rey was already a great character in the first one, here Kylo is more than just a little kid throwing a tantrum, huge improvment. Poe and Finn are uninteresting details, like in the first one.
Lots of humor and puns. Nice sometimes, but seems forced in the end. Specially with Leïa. This is definitely Carrie Fischer and not Leïa. Almost looks like they kept parts of gag reels. It's funny, but it does not fit the scenes.
But lots of bullshit:
1) Finn and Rose part: 100% useless
2) Leia playing Superman: wtf ? Plus it would have been a beautiful way for her to die even if it was not in the initial scenario.
3) The hyperspeed ship attack: why wouldn't they do that all the time if it worked ? Any X-Wing could destroy the death star this way.
4) Poe's mutiny: 100% useless
5) We've known for long that half training is a lot worth than no training. What is Luke doing with Rey ? It seems really dangerous.
6) So in the end Snoke was useless to the story.
7) All the new laser weapons: seriously ?
8) The last battle that does not happen in the end. What did they think to do with these old things. Just getting the salt in their face should be enough to kill them. And Finn ? The metal starts to melt with the heat but he's just sweating a little ?
9) Ain't that a stupid way to kill Luke ?
So several useless parts of plot, things that start and go nowhere. Several yes but no but yes situations too, a little childish in my opinion. As an independent movie, it's still enjoyable. But as for what it brings to the universe, I'd take 1 and 2 any day over 7 and 8.
That's too bad, because we've seen with Rogue One that it's still possible to make great things in the Star Wars universe.
Bizzare writing decisions at a plodding pace, with the insulting addition of tons of elements purely for nostaliga or merchandising. What were they thinking?
This is a good movie, it's a bit slow and long, especially in the second act but that serves to explain about the Force. It takes several risks that are appreciated and at the same time leave you with more doubts to close in the next episode. The jokes, some out of place, are not something that get you out of the movie. The plot arcs of Kylo and Rey are well developed and give depth to the characters and you understand why they choose the path they chose. Luke's exile is understandable as is his renegade attitude. There are unexpected actions of Luke; but again, they go along with their attitude in this episode. Leia is the heart of resistance and offers hope for all. The supporting characters pass much to the background that are dispensable throughout the story. For the same reason, you miss the participation of Chewbacca and R2-D2. On the side of the new generation, Finn's subplot is completely irrelevant. In conclusion, it is a good film that lists everything for what we hope will be the final battle in the next episode. It's not perfect but it's very entertaining if you're a Star Wars fan. It does not have a spectacular ending like Rogue One and that leaves you with a bitter sweet taste. 7.5 / 10
First the bad, then the good. (Spoilers, obviously)
The rebel plotline was totally weak. Star Wars is usually pretty epic, and spending about 2/3 of the film on a very slow, uneventful chase was just not wise for a major Star Wars film entry. Felt like a side-story, not the middle of an epic trilogy.
Finn's plotline was probably the worst. It was like they just needed to give him SOMETHING to do. Out of all the myriads of cool plans devisable in the Star Wars universe, wasting a ton of time looking for a mysterious code-breaker is mediocre. And then he betrays them like the writers just gave up. So much potential with the character and Benicio's fantastic acting. Rose on the other hand... was like they were just looking for an excuse to stick an awkward girl from Tumblr in the film? To make it more relatable to Disney fans? Ug, no. The casino as a theory had potential and I don't dislike the poetic mirroring of the original films (and Jabba's Palace), but it just didn't work. The people who were running the creation of the film may have noticed it was like "new Star Wars" but no one asked "is it actually entertaining?"
Slapstick Star Wars... :sigh:... Star Wars has laughs but they are witty character moments, not cartoon peng-whales splatting on a window. I like Pixar but not in my Star Wars. Having them make nests in the Millenium Falcon I did like, but everything else was, like Finn, forcing Chewbacca to have something to do. No need for roasting them so they can make funny faces and make 5 year olds laugh.
So many great characters just got wasted. In addition to the backup codebreaker, Finn, etc. did you notice that Admiral Ackbar died without a word? They really just should have had him in the role of Holdo rather than making a new character.
Okay, now that we're past all the stuff I'm realizing, more and more, was pretty aweful...
The Jedi plotline was majestic. Excellently written, fantastic character development, great elaboration of the force, and fit genuinely as a blend of fresh and traditional in the Star Wars cannon. Kylo continued to be a captivating character. Luke and Kylo's situation was excellently written and equally executed. Luke really did work like a Sith when He tried to protect the force by his own power rather than letting it guide him. Yoda was great and totally pulled a mystical spiritual elder situation that's key to Star Wars (and Yoda). The Snoke throne room situation with Kylo and Rey was glorious. And the reveal for Rey's family was surprizingly satisfying for how much they built it up and then gave a brutally simple answer.
And my second favorite element: the visuals. I didn't know I could be so into Star Wars as a work of beauty in colors and cinematic angles. Where the innovation with slapstick failed, the innovation in visuals kicked butt. The fight in Snoke's chambers and the battle on Crait were beautiful works of art.
There was some terrible humor but also some really classic Star Wars humor, like Poe's dialogue and trashing of Hux at the beginning. I was happily reminiscing on Solo's style.
Honest to say, the GOOD was so good I didn't notice how terribly BAD the bad was until later. I can see why people are so polarized about this film because... it's a polarized film. I enjoyed the heck out of it and probably consider it my favorite of the new films (RO and TFA) but at the same time consider it the "worst" film objectively. I think adding a beginning arc and making the "rebel tracking" part of the film the middle rather than majority of the film could have improved it greatly. And doing almost ANYTHING other than the codebreaker plotline with Finn and Rose.
I am thankful that I have no idea what the next film will be about. They set up for a VERY epic scale tale and I hope they deliver.
I’m very disappointed. This could have been so much more but fell flat.
i think it will be really cool
Absolutely awesome film, much better than the crap rouge one rubbish
I liked a lot about the film, especially the signature themes of good vs evil, the human complexity and struggles of picking a side. The Rey and Kylo against Snoke scene was one of my favorites. The Rey actress was great once more and it was refreshing to see the franchise embrace the idea of a strong woman at its core, even though it wasn't without flaws, like the fact that the final battle involved two men.
As a vegan, I also liked the animal rights moments, whether they were as deep as I see them or not. Chewie reconsidering eating an animal when facing one of their kind? The liberation of a horse-like animal?
As for the worse parts, a lot of the plot was also cliche and predictable through and through, with a ton of stupidity on the part of the decision-makers. Okay, I could take one "hero going against the leader" moment, but why follow the same pattern later in the film? Also, what's with Kylo being rather smart first, then being so shallow when attacking the mine? Is this the new all-powerful leader of the empire? Personally, I felt that the film should have ended shortly after the Rey and Kylo confrontation, as opposed to replaying itself with slight tweaks.
I liked a lot about the film, especially the signature themes of good vs evil, the human complexity and struggles of picking a side. The Rey and Kylo against Snoke scene was one of my favorites. The Rey actress was great once more and it was refreshing to see the franchise embrace the idea of a strong woman at its core, even though it wasn't without flaws, like the fact that the final battle involved two men.
As a vegan, I also liked the animal rights moments, whether they were as deep as I see them or not. Chewie reconsidering eating an animal when facing one of their kind? The liberation of a horse-like animal?
As for the worse parts, a lot of the plot was also cliche and predictable through and through, with a ton of stupidity on the part of the decision-makers. Okay, I could take one "hero going against the leader" moment, but why follow the same pattern later in the film? Also, what's with Kylo being rather smart first, then being so shallow when attacking the mine? Is this the new all-powerful leader of the empire? Personally, I felt that the film should have ended shortly after the Rey and Kylo confrontation, as opposed to replaying itself with slight tweaks.
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I liked a lot about the film, especially the signature themes of good vs evil, the human complexity and struggles of picking a side. The Rey and Kylo against Snoke scene was one of my favorites. The Rey actress was great once more and it was refreshing to see the franchise embrace the idea of a strong woman at its core, even though it wasn't without flaws, like the fact that the final battle involved two men.
As a vegan, I also liked the animal rights moments, whether they were as deep as I see them or not. Chewie reconsidering eating an animal when facing one of their kind? The liberation of a horse-like animal?
As for the worse parts, a lot of the plot was also cliche and predictable through and through, with a ton of stupidity on the part of the decision-makers. Okay, I could take one "hero going against the leader" moment, but why follow the same pattern later in the film? Also, what's with Kylo being rather smart first, then being so shallow when attacking the mine? Is this the new all-powerful leader of the empire? Personally, I felt that the film should have ended shortly after the Rey and Kylo confrontation, as opposed to replaying itself with slight tweaks.
Still incredible 6 years later, and the salty fanboys who've treated this no different than the prequel haters did 20 years ago still getting mad about it, just strengthens my resolve that this was so much better than any of them will ever admit.
This movie is good idk what other people think
Literally, this will be the Last "Star War" I will ever watch.
There used to be a time when I looked forward to the 9 movies being completed.
Thanks to Disney and Rian Johnson efforts to "subvert expectation," I'm finally free of caring about Star Wars at all forever!
This movie may be horrible but I'll be damned if the Holdo manoeuvre isn't one of the most memorable cinematic moments I've had the pleasure of seeing on the big screen.
One of the most controversial movies ever. I love it, haha, although it is worse than the previous movie. 8.5/10 :star:
Just Got done watching The last Jedi and yes it still holds up since it's release
luke skywalker drinking the green milk directly from that space sea cow's titty and looking rey directly in the eye as he does it is the biggest fucking power move in the entire star wars history
I’m really struggling with my thoughts on my self-enforced rewatch. I appreciate tearing everything apart and creating an alternative tone in this universe. I know decades have passed for all the characters we love. So Luke can be snarky and earn that bitter ol’ man on the mountain trope. Leia could be advanced in her Force Training enough to cheat death by asphyxia. Sure.. Rey and Ben have a soul tie that links them telepathically.
But.
I feel like this isn’t the school yard Star Wars adventure that I want to play in anymore. My generation made up its own fanfics for these characters— it never fully belonged to Lucas. Thinking about it this way, it’s like I don’t agree with the direction this iteration developed. It feels too different from its source material, and too divergent from the universes I played in, read and watched. I’m going to keep my original “fair” review, but it hurts. I want to like it more, up it to “good”, but I can’t. The writing skill doesn’t support the giant leaps that the new story wants to take.
TLJ is, thankfully, a much better film than TFA, although that in itself isn't much of an achievement, given how awful TFA was. The brilliant review from @andrewbloom is virtually spot-on, but there were a few element to TLJ that let down an otherwise generally good return to form for a SW film.
Firstly, the whole scene where Leia Force-pulled herself back from the oblivion of space, having been on a command bridge that was totally obliterated by the First Order, leaving no survivors apart from (conveniently) her, was just insulting and ridiculous. Force-strong or not, she would almost certainly have been killed instantly, and if not, so severely injured that she wouldn't be in a strong enough state to suddenly call upon Force powers that she has apparently never used before, that would take a great deal of focus and energy, in order to save herself. Seeing her body floating away was a really strong, powerful moment that would have done true justice to both Leia and the then-recently-and-tragically deceased Carrie Fisher; an honourable hero's death as a freedom fighter. Instead, the whole scene is shattered by a ridiculous miraculous recovery for just long enough to get back to the ship.
Secondly, the humorous moments (esp Dameron toying with Hux) were just over-cooked and corny. They don't detract too much from the film overall, and I'm all for injecting some humour into what is otherwise a dark and sombre film (aka TESB), but what was there was just cheap and tacky.
Thirdly, everything about Snoke makes no sense (without any enlightenment from subsequent films/TV shows). Who/what is he, other than the Supreme leader of The First Order (again something about which we have learned little, from either TFA or TLJ). Where did he come from? For such an insightful, devious, powerful Force user, how could he not have sensed Ren's lightsaber deception when he was already probing his mind? Although that last point could be explained away by him being focused on Rey, but it just came across as to easy and convenient a way to dispose of such a powerful antagonist.
Fourthly, Disney again ruined what would have been a powerful scene by not having Finn (who was much less annoying than in TFA, but still an irritating, dumb grunt obsessed with "getting the girl") complete his suicide mission, and thus dying a hero (and killing off their weakest and most unlikable protagonist). Instead, there is - again - a silly and pointless love story thrown in between him and Rose that culminates in her senseless and meaningless death. This in no way added to the plot or the film as a whole; precisely the opposite, in fact. It is just another example of weak direction from Disney to try and add in the schmaltz that Americans seem to need to have in every action film that they produce.
Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a fantastic addition to the original saga. The film is packed with thrilling action sequences, iconic characters, and deep thematic explorations that make it a standout in the series. Despite some of the negative reviews it received, I can confidently say that this film is possibly the best of the saga outside of the original three. The cinematography and acting are excellent, and the story is both satisfying and emotionally resonant. Fans of the franchise will undoubtedly enjoy this film and appreciate the bold new direction it takes the Star Wars universe in.
The end product is absolutely laughable, but Rian's general approach should be lauded, and is what I wanted from a new trilogy of films.
Remember the old, but burn down the constraints that it holds you to, and build something greater together.
If they'd have let him control the entire arc and move forward with the destruction of the Jedi/Sith binary dichotomy, I think the Star Wars movies would have been in a much better place right now. Additionally, the theme that greatness and change can come from anyone, anywhere is better than reverting back to birthright, blood relations and the bloody Skywalkers and Palpatines again.
Such a missed oppurtunity. I hope when Disney inevitabley attempt whatever comes after this, they remember some of the messages put in place here and carry them forward. I don't want Blue Saber v Red Saber for the rest of time.
My personal worst movie. I could not imagine a worse way to handle the original characters and move Star Wars into a new era
i think this movie could have been so much better
Soo much no sense... Like Rey leaning Jedi tricks whereas a live of training is mandatory to understand the concept of the force. Everything is stupid, like the light and dark force... Star wars is still homophobic, racist and misogynistic.
Again, when you can create new character in a world with billions of planets, action take place in small place and the fate of the Galaxy is tie of the sons of the characters in the previous trilogy
Luke drinking the nipple milk killed this movie on the spot.
absolute garbage, nearly ruined the whole franchise for me.
I guess at this point the story is becoming so ridiculous that it could be more fun if it would focus on adventure and the fantasy world (e.g. like Star Trek or Lost in Space). Luke's surprise in the end wasn't that bad though.
The First Order continues to throw money around without achieving much. It's not like Star Wars ever made much sense but now it's starting to become annoying, e.g.:
- In the first space "battle" one X-Wing can own their fleet because their turrets aren't (properly) shielded and they only launch very few fighters.
- The light saber battles are basically dances.
- The fact that shields cannot protect against objects traveling at light speed defies the last reasons for having big ships, battle stations, etc.
But hey, it's still Star Wars, the CGI is great (thanks to the ILM magicians), and it's nice to see more of the world/universe (which IMO is much more interesting than the boring fights).
I liked it but now I also remember why I didn't watch this in the cinema and that I really should downgrade my rating a bit.
Excellent, one of my favourites from the franchise so far.
'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' makes for an exciting 152 minutes! Sure it probably could've been a little shorter, but at no point did I personally feel it drag. The cast give great performances, while the music and whole look of the film is extremely pleasant.
Daisy Ridley and John Boyega do their thing and are enjoyable once again, Ridley particularly impressed me. I also like Adam Driver in this, while it's always pleasing to see Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher involved. As for newcomers, Benicio del Toro and Kelly Marie Tran stand out.
There are also some incredible shots, the entire sequence at the end thrilled me - there's a particular part involving Laura Dern (even if her character, overall, isn't all that good) that looks utterly superb.
All in all, I felt very satisfied and very entertained after watching this. Quality film, in my eyes anyway.
This movie is so bad I want to pull my hairs out.
Now. Had Ryan Johnson been given permission to finish episode eight and nine the way he envisioned it, this episode may have made more sense. But once Kathleen Kennedy pulled him, this episode stands on its own and does not make much sense considering What follows. Episode nine, the final episode, was hijacked and re-written. Director by JJ Abrams Tried to finish this third trilogy and by doing so made this episode pointless and confusing.
I know there are so many haters out there but I really liked this film. I think it is not as fan -pleasant as the other ones. It works as a film by itself. And the music is still one of the best scores of all times. Maybe I liked it because I'm not a Star Wars fan.
"This is not going to go the way you think"
That line right there basically sums it all. When you predicted everything that's going to happen, then suddenly get the carpet pulled underneath at the last minute. You either like or dislike Rian Johnson choices, but at least it's going in a new direction and not another remake.
As Kylo Ren put it: "Let the past die"
What I love about 'The Last Jedi' is how it doesn't care what you think about 'Star Wars. While not insulting you as the audience. Taking fan theories or the mystery 'Force Awakens' stet up, and shut it down completely. Instead, what we get is a bold message about are our places and where to find hope.
Rian Johnson absolutely kills it with his direction. Perfectly framed shots and the magnificent cinematography, made the overall experience something to remember for a long, long time. Even as I'm writing this, some of the imagery has implanted into my mind. Beautiful, yet menacing with the dark side creeping in.
Performance and characters all around are great. Oscar Isaac character (Poe) has such a fantastic character arc in this movie, that even he learns from his cocky attitude or quick thinking from deadly situations.
Both Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver are the main dynamics of the film. The scenes with Rey and Kylo are the most captivating elements of the story. A balance of light and darkness shown in their characters. Is Kylo Ren emo? yeah, if you like. Compelling villain? YES. You see good in him from Rey's point of view, but also darkness from Luke's.
This is the best I've seen from Mark Hamill. You'd think he will portray an old mentor in the shadow of Alec Guinness and Yoda. However, that isn't the case. You see Skywalker has given up on the force and wants nothing from it. Becoming a shadow of himself. Heck, he barley trains Rey, and that alone doesn't matter. Seeing him on screen gave me on all happinesses in the world.
Sound design, costumes, visual effects, and the lightsaber fights are all top notch. The biggest issue I've heard from people is the casino scene which didn't bother me. The film itself didn't drag, for me. As the runtime feels justified for something like this.
Now for problems: Some CGI scenes looked a bit unfinished, which is mostly green screen backgrounds. Other than that, the effects look pretty great.
I didn't buy the "love triangle", with Finn (John Boyega) and Rose (Kelly Marie Tran). Even Finn was just as surprised as me when this was suppose to be a thing. I rather see a relationship with Poe and Finn, than Rose. Or just be friends.
While I praise the film for taking bold choices, but it never fully goes for it. A lot of fake outs deaths that afterwards made me wish it actually happened.
It's tonal inconsistency. One minute it's funny, then the next it's dead serious. The humor isn't as awful as people have said. Unfortunately, it doesn't help that characters are jammed packed and didn't need to be there. And Captain Phasma is still the most pointless character ever.
Overall rating: Despite it's flaws, the force is strong with this one.
RIP Carrie Fisher, Our Princess
Rather underwhelming, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a solid sci-fi adventure, but it fails to build on the promise of The Force Awakens. After a costly attack on the First Order, the Resistance is depleted of resources and retreats to a fortified moon base for a last stand; meanwhile Rey pleads with a reluctant Luke Skywalker to train her to be a Jedi. None of the mysteries set up in the last film are followed through with or get satisfactory answers; Rey’s parentage, Snoke’s possible Jedi/Sith connection, Luke’s battle with the Knights of Ren, etc. The script is poorly written and the characters don’t feel the same. In fact, the directing and editing are so different that the film doesn’t even feel connected to the previous ones. Still, most of the action scenes are exciting and the lightsaber fights are intense and dramatic. And the special effects are especially well-done, making for some visually compelling set and character designs. While Star Wars: The Last Jedi doesn’t live up to the standard that’s been set by the new Star Wars films, it’s entertaining and moves the saga forward (though not by much).
I finally watched The Last Jedi last night. It wasn't the worst movie on Earth, but in the Star Wars arena, it was a mess, and I do not see myself ever watching it again. The humour in the movie was me laughing at the movie itself. Rolling eyes, face palm, whatever one needs good supply of to get through this just once to see the truth. Even more uninteresting than The Force Awakens. Shock! So I am not a big SW fan. I like it enough to watch the Original Trilogy on DVD every so often. I really liked Rogue One. The prequels ugh. The Clone Wars animated show is my favorite though.
Half genius, half garbage.
One plot line is great, the other is mediocre at best and the other is terrible. As simple as that.
5/10. Should've focused more on Rey and Kylo.
Kylo vs Luke could have been the most epic lightsaber battle of all time. It was set up so perfectly to only be a huge disappointment SMH. god this movie was a beautiful disaster.
Cinematography: 7/10 | Performances: 6/10 | Story : 3/10
Good cinematography and good acting can not make up for a film with such horrendous and dishonest writing and storytelling. Even if taken alone, rather than as the second installment in a soft reboot (cash-in) trilogy, the writing is typical of pretentious, pseudointellectual "controversy bait" by a severely mediocre intellect who has been told that they are clever, but merely aims to make as big of a mess as possible.
The problem here is that the writer(s) (I don't for one minute believe that this didn't have input from multiple people, unofficially, namely KK) neither understands the concept of subversion, nor the source material which they are trying to subvert, and ends up making a tonally disjointed film that, laughably, for anyone with at least two decades behind them, presents itself as serious cinema, but with character actions that make no sense, and are merely propelled by the will of the script to do whatever creates the most conflict or lukewarm goofiness in any given moment. To my consternation and frustration, adults are easily fooled by actors playing scenes dramatically, even when their actions are non sequitorial, and even directly contradict previous actions or established world building constants, or events from previous scenes in the same film! They see it and belive it, even if it makes no sense.
This film is composed almost entirely of these moments, even directly conflicting with the previous film in the saga in what can only be interpreted as a spiteful act of stubborn sabotage of characters and plot points. It's bewildering from a meta standpoint why a director would do this, unless of course the director's primary goal was to get people to argue about it. And the best way to get people to argue endlessly about something is to write it so it can't be rationally juxtaposed, due to it not making sense in the first place.
This is where we are with modern "serious" film and TV shows, at the end of this decade. This type of engineered conflict is the hallmark of mediocre minds that have no real story to tell, instead concocting endless petty squabbling.
An honest (and legitimate) way of getting people to engage in discussions (meaningful even!) is to present a challenging moral quandary, perhaps even one that aims to challenge, honestly, and for extropian goals, an existing social moor (pick an episode of Star Trek TOS, TNG, or DS9); or it could even be as self contained as pitting one character's motivations against another (Fletcher Christian vs. Captain Blithe, even Thanos vs the Avengers for a surprisingly compelling-- if intellectually one-sided --contemporary conflict from the same parent company).
TLJ does none of this. What it does do is virtue signal and pander, with no intention to create a meaningful discussion to create change. They mention war profiteering and animal abuse, yet their idea of "getting back" is spur of the moment temporary chaos and property damage. It's not even strategically the same as a protest, the goal of which is to raise awareness by disrupting the status quo. I'm all for destroying Dick Cheyney's house, but that isn't going to bring the public's attention to the fact that he's a war profiteer.
It all amounts to empty spectacle and impotent pandering, not to mention derailing the (granted, preposterous) main slow chase main plot with yet more ludicrously inconvenient/convenient plot contrivances and goofy alien moments.
Speaking of aliens... where the hell are the aliens in the real chacters in the world? Besides Chewie, who functions as Rey's chauffeur, you'd think the aliens in this film were meant to be caricatures for the sycophantic elite, instead of a large part of the rebellion and the galaxy at large. More evidence of careles mishandling of a franchise by an egoist who, by all accounts, hates Star Wars and has no care for anything that he himself didn't create.
But what about the rest of the characters? Glib charm, plank of wood, conflict post, stupid angery boi, platitude spouter, and non entity. That's it. There are no real chacters in this film. After TFA I don't really care about any of them, but I do feel that John Boyega really got the worst of the character disservice of JJ's characters, as he gets to do little more than chase after Rey whilst being stuck with a character most unfortunate (poor Kelly).
Mark Hamil, of course is the single person most wronged by the entire Disney malfeasance, and by RJ in particular. It was spiteful and incompetent character assassination, but even if one were to cast Luke in a bad light, it should be through character progression, meaningful events, hell, not that Disney would have gotten it right, but severe mental illness would have been a much better, and tragic explanation for Luke doing fuck all for no reason. Without knowing RJ's game of pretentious little boy wowzers plotting (see that tripe, Looper) beforehand, I was actually anticipating honery, anti-establishment, even somewhat nihilistic old Luke.... but you have to actually tell that story.
And here we come to the core issue with the type of storytelling common to both RJ and JJ: "Postmodernist Filmmaking"
What the fuck is that? Well, in filmmaking (which is its own term with its own specific meaning) it boils down to this:
Director: I want this stock scene, with these stock emotions, to elicit stock response in audience, BUT, I don't actually know how to write, or care about how stories are written, so I'm going to make this scene happen without actually earning it, narritively.
Leia passing Chewie without a word to hug Rey
Hux becoming a buffoon between 7 and 8
Rey's ability to ad hoc do anything the plot decides, at will
The entire, undxplaied setup for TFA, where all of the accomplishments of the heroes have been reset to zero just to force a retread of classic character moments and imagery (an extra kind of theft of ideas, due to corporate greed and unwillingness to take a risk on real creativity)
Holdo acting like a sleeper agent (or the most incompetent and abstented general-in-an-evening-gown ever) up until the very end where...
She performs a maneuver that destroys the whole dynamic of space battles, with an extra topping of forced character moment due to her needlessly sacrificing herself (instead of using a droid autopilot), as some kind of chacter aggrandisement (and redemption arc? It's hard to know how the script expects us to feel given the schizophrenic way Holdo's scenes play out, as if they are composed of conflicting scenes from separate and incompatible drafts of the script)
What is a true tragedy is what could have been. There are good stories that could have been told, and many of them were already written. Even satisfying things could have been done with the paper thin and silly rip off of A New Hope's characters, but they opted to go with a cheap copy with Mr. Imitation himself, JJ Abrams, and then continue a reboot trilogy with no outline, and an act of inter-saga and intra-saga sabotage is what resulted, and it led to the bankrupt default of the mess that was The Rise Of Skywalker's "Star Wars in a blender" story.
This is art by corporate committee.
"A lengthy list of missed opportunities and puzzling decisions."
A long, long time ago ... and it keeps in suspense almost until the end :) Plot very similiar to SW: V. Giving -1 point for incredibly talented Rey in her newly acquired skills. :)
While it is disappointing what was done to Luke. I was very entertained by this movie despite frustrating moments.
It’s still better than The Rise of Skywalker. Due to that just being no different than any other Star Wars film. With even villains from the past brought back for the hell of it.
This movie gets a lot of crap but it’s actually the best to look at Star Wars movies with some truly great shots. The story also takes all different directions that weren’t satisfying to fans. Though, at least not predictable or the copy and paste stuff that JJ Abraham’s gives us.
The Five Faces of STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI
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The Last Jedi is easily the most colorful and visually stunning film in the series so far. The blend of CGI and practical effects work perfectly to form a realistic and lively universe.
It's lovely to see Leia take center stage for this film. Carrie Fisher (Star Wars, 1977) puts in all her heart in the performance and it's a joy to see her final role played with such warmth.
Oscar Isaac (Ex Machina, 2014) gets more to do as Poe Dameron and puts in a largely good performance.
The film keeps focus on the familiar characters from the first film, developing them further, while also giving us new characters to enjoy. Kelly Marie Tran's Rose brings some much needed diversity to the cast, while Laura Dern (Marriage Story, 2019) as Holdo adds some tension.
BB-8 continues to be one of the most clever, funny and cute new additions to the Star Wars mythos.
The fight in Snoke's chamber and the aftermath on the rebel base is quite possibly the most visually stunning battle sequence in the series so far.
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Leia being sucked out into space after an explosion is a powerful moment, immediately ruined by the weirdest and possibly even stupidest moment in all of Star Wars.
Rey's training with Luke on the island present some interesting new sides for both characters and easily belong to the darker moments in the series.
Several obvious nods to the classic trilogy always warm the heart of a fan. While the story still mimics some elements from the classic trilogy, The Empire Strikes Back (1980) in particular, it's less profound when compared to The Force Awakens (2015).
There are some beautiful emotional moments that are among the finest in the saga.
Everything feels so big and epic in this film, so it's hard to imagine how Disney could top this in Rise of Skywalker (2019).
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There's lots of silly humor in the dialogue and acting. It's the kind of humor that would suit perfectly in an MCU film, but feels terribly misplaced in a Star Wars film.
Adam Driver (Marriage Story) puts in another good performance as Kylo Ren, a character tailored for him. It's a pity the character himself is tragic, yet extremely annoying.
Something feels wrong with Mark Hamill's (Star Wars) return to his iconic role. There's no real joy to see him back, as it feels like he's only in for the money. He treats the character like a Yoda ripoff and a comedic shadow of his past self.
Rey and Kylo Ren communicating through the Force is a cringe-worthy idea, even if it's nicely edited.
The adventure on Canto Bight introduces a new sparkling setting, but also feels like filler material to extend the film's run-time. The main story is quite simple, but it has been stretched out to an extent.
Much like in The Force Awakens, it feels like there is a lot going on all the time and no real time to breathe and calm down between battles and explosions.
The Last Jedi strays further away from the logic and boundaries of the Force, paving way for new ways to use the power when deemed necessary. It weakens the ties to the original films.
Benicio del Toro (Sicario, 2015) is a hilarious and slimy, albeit totally unnecessary, new character.
There's a plethora of endings to this movie, and it feels like they try to cram way too much content into its runtime. They could have easily left some of the stuff for Rise of Skywalker.
The Luke/Kylo fight is pretty meh, even if it looks nice.
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General Hux (Domnhall Gleeson) was pretty useless in The Force Awakens, but at least he felt somewhat menacing. Here, he is made into a comic relief baddie for no reason.
After barely appearing in The Force Awakens and finally becoming interesting in The Last Jedi, Snoke (Andy Serkis) is disposed of like a bad joke. That is the biggest crime of this film.
Writer-director Rian Johnson (Knives Out, 2019) clearly scraps several story ideas set in motion by J. J. Abrams (Star Trek, 2009) and others in Episode VII to try and take the saga in another direction. Some of his decisions feel messy, particularly when taking into account the previous film. It's going to be a daunting task to write the story out of some of the corners it has landed in with this installment.
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The Final Face: :smiley: // Good
Had this been a stand alone movie and the main characters had different names I probably would have enjoyed it more. Basically it took everything JJ tried to setup with TFA and obliterated it. It was needlessly long while trying to inject social commentary like the entire casino story. The Finn/Rose arc was a waste of time as was the introduction of new and essentially worthless characters like Holdo. Wanted to like it, I really did but nope. And the politics that were injected by fans surrounding this left a bad taste in my mouth and its tarnished SW for me as a whole
Terrible movie. Worse than attack of the clones.
"E' così che vinceremo: non cambattendo chi odiamo, ma salvando chi amiamo"
I have absolutely no idea how this movie manages to contain green milk on the one hand and, on the other, so many amazing goosebumps moments, stunning visuals, actually funny jokes and heart-pounding action... but it does. Absolutely brilliant.
The scheme of the movies in the series is already fixed and repetitive, even so ...
very entertaining and very influential the presence of Disney in the production
T'was good, you just have to turn off your brain a little bit
continues right where TFA left off, starts strong, albeit with some serious issues :
- bomb drops in space?
- imaginary danger when escape by ftl is possible at any time
- snoke in person is a joke
- introduces supporting characters only to throw them to the wolves, including snoke (basically begs for a prequel...)
- leia has superpowers now too... hell even better than a jedi.
completely runs off the rails after the 40min mark, basically nothing happening for the next 55mins(!)...
- except the kylo-rey discussions & yoda appearance
after we're sort off back in action, the issues continue...
- giving away cloaking info without ever obtaining said info...
- so mass destruction by lightspeed weaponization was possible all along? (no matter that in TFA the falcon did a lightspeed jump out of a cargobay without harming those in the bay, behind the drive) if lightspeed causes this much destruction, why the hell did sidius need a death star then? or the snoke a death planet??
- miraculously going faster than finn even though he goes as fast as possible & saving him... oh an no one fires on them, come on...
- bringing the lucky cubes even though he's just a projection...
- oh and why was there ever a need for jedi to teach & have apprentices? rey doesn't need to learn a thing, she can do it all without any effort.
seriously this film is rubbish unless it's watched back to back with TFA, then it's almost good - if you can forget about the glaring issues & the whole hour where almost nothing of consequence happens
after rogue one this is an utter disappointment
I'm not sure quite what to say about this movie. It's been said that fans are divided over it, and I myself am rather divided, too.
On the plus side, there are some great action sequences, and it's fun to see Luke in action again.
Conversely, there's too many scenes involving characters merely sitting around and talking, and it doesn't quite feel like Star Wars as I'm used to seeing it.
As a longtime fan of Disney productions, I didn't think the House of Mouse would mess up the beloved space opera; now, it kind of seems like they have. If you thought this franchise jumped the shark with the prequel trilogy, just wait until you see this movie.
Disney should have stayed true to the saga as it was and adapted the Thrawn trilogy into celluloid form; now there's something I'd pay good money to see!
it is the best movie
It was good, fight seens were great, but dragged a little on some scenes
Only one word: BORED BORED BORED.
it was amazing. can't wait for the next movie of star wars. the force is with is with us with the new Gen!
Super. Nie mogę się doczekać następnej części.
2 / 2 directing & technical aspect
0 / 1 story
1 / 1 act I
1 / 1 act II
1 / 1 act III
1 / 1 acting
0 / 1 writing
0 / 1 originality
0 / 1 lasting ability to make you think
1 / 1 misc
7 out of 10
I watched this movie on the release date. I have been a stars wars fanatic since I was child. What the hell happened to the story line in this? Was and still am very disappointed, I can't even bring myself to sit through it a second time. I like the force awakens very much and how the reinvigorated the story line, but this pretty much ruined everything they did in the previous film. Watch it if you are a star wars fan, but be prepared to be DISAPPOINTED!
Very different for a Star Wars movie, but very enjoyable nonetheless.
I liked this movie.
I'm not a huge fan of star wars so most of the nit picking stuff I did not care to do because I didn't mind it. The casino scenes that everyone didn't like I don't mind at all, along with some other scenes that I'm neutral on but can't remember at the time what they were.
Most of the comedy in the movie sucked. Wasn't funny and just took me out of the movie, and the stakes of the film. There were some jokes that we're fine or happened to aid the movie, like the one in the very beginning. Other than that it was just bad and cringe worthy.
All of the actors and actresses did a good job of portraying their characters. A few people I read said they have a problem with how Luke was portrayed but I don't see what was wrong. I know Disney (or JJ Abrams) said that Kylo Ren has a 3 movie story arc but I feel like he was still a bitch. He was a bigger bitch in The Force Awakens but he's still a bitch in this movie. Phasma was barely used in TFA and she was barely used in this movie, what a waste. I liked Snoke as the antagonist (along with Kylo) but I wish we had more information on his backstory and how he Rose to power and stuff like that. If that is explained in some random ass book somewhere let me know. I probably won't read it but yeah.
Overall I thought it was a fun time. Like I said I'm not really a fan of Star Wars in general so when I seen this movie it was a good time and didn't "divide" me like it did to a lot of other people / fans. Still going to watch the 9th one and probably Solo as well. Good time.
8/10
It was a bit too long and predictable, but entertaining nonetheless.
great movie. the know world and very entertaining. but......
new but the same but new and sti
ll the same.
new characters to appeal to new audiences but seems a remake of the old proven story.
still enjoyed it very much.
Definitely more of a setup movie so makes it hard to stand on it's own. It was great seeing all the returning characters in the series, especially from the older trilogy. As with the other movies there were a lot of parallels in plot- but I thought this time they made enough of a variance to make it a tad unpredictable. Pacing felt kinda off though. Overall it was "ok" movie on it's own in terms of excitement and action but a must-see for fans.
My favorite part was when Rei and Ben fought all the Red Guard, seeing all the cool weapons and choreography were great.
Long time ago in a galaxy far far away... but it still keeps in tension. :) I felt a little copy from the SW: ep. V, but in general quite good action movie. I gave -1 "heart" for astonishing Rey and her new so well trained just discovered abilities. ;)
Great continuation can’t wait for the final in 2 years
Almost flawless masterpiece. There were some scenes for fan service and there are some charachters I cannot peace with, but the experience I got from The Last Jedi was absolutely phenomenal. I loved the way how the force has been treated in this movie. Finally, I feel like the franchise got rid of the burden once and for all which has been put on it by the prequel trilogy, especially the first one with those midichlorians and whatnot.
Also, I received the right amount of humour and coolness. ( except that conversation between Hux and Poe at the beginning, that was way way over the top. )
Is this movie (and trilogy) nothing new nor essential to the whole Star Wars universe? True, but I really enjoyed it and seeing the characters develop too (specially Kylo, thank God it got better). Now, my fear is that a day may come that I stop enjoying them and they start doing more damage than good (or neutral at least) to this universe. Cause, you know, Disney's like: "if can make millions for the next 15 years, what esle matters?"
Funny, innovative and very smart. The best of the new batch.
I really didn't realise how much I was looking forward to this movie until I was about half way through.
First off, I didn't hate it. I know lots of people did for whatever reason, but I didn't hate it. Did I love it? No. I actually enjoyed the random bits of humour, although I did find myself laughing alone more than once. Overall I'd say it was not at all what I expected, but that's probably a good thing when it comes to Star Wars. We need new things in these movies, not just a series of winks and nods to the old ones.
I realy liked it. Great story.
I liked it. Better then "Rogue One" (although it is completly different story) but not as good as "The Force Awakens". Maybe becouse the latter played well on nostalgia note. Some scenes in "The Last Jedi" could easily be removed and it would do a favour to the movie. (especially the one with Leia "Space Drifter" Organa).
No spoilers here. Great follow up in the previous installment. Builds and what is there, but takes some unexpected twists that make it fun to explore and discover. I won't go into depth to keep the spoilers away, but I had a great time at the movies tonight. 8/10
the movie tries new things but still mantain certain formula elements.
the different lines are well done, but others are FAR more interesting than others.
acting is fine.
my overall score is 7/10.
It was ok, just that... Need it some more action because at times was boring.
Looking only for the technical features as art direction, cinematography and special fx, this movie is impeccable! It probably has the most amazing scnenes of light saber and space fights in the inteire franchise. When you pay attention to the script, the movie is kind of "meh".
kylo: i offer you the whole galaxy, my partnership, my heart, and my soul
rey: thanks! i hate it
It was good except for the one military character wearing a floor-length evening gown for going into battle. WTF? She had to keep hiking up her hem to move or sit.
I liked it, there are things that I expected to happen and others that surprised me. A pity that Carrie Ficher is no longer in 9, they dedicate the film to her
This movie takes a lot of risks, and for that to happen to a franchise and even the Star Wars franchise is something special. However I might admit that the first 1/3 (not including the first space battle scene) is extremely disappointing with some reveals that have extremely poor execution. Soon after the battle, some characters get sent on a mission which I’m pretty sure contained a countless amount of MacGuffins and some lacklustre world-building which is unlike anything Star Wars would ever do.
As I was watching these scenes on Canto Bight, I honestly thought they’ve messed this up so badly that it’s unsaveable. However, the last 1/3 is some of the most outstanding scenes that this franchise has to offer. The battle scenes are fantastic and tension is high throughout. The island scenes with Luke and Rey are also a highlight with some fantastic creature-effects as is to be expected with the franchise. There is also some great character development, especially of existing characters, which is helped by some fantastic acting (Luke, Rey and Kylo are stand-outs) and some superb direction by Rian Johnson which ties everything up really well. I could make the point that this stuff was so good that I was disappointed by everything else but it all has to be at the same level and it wasn’t. I think I’m nervous yet excited for Episode IX, it has the potential to be terrible or fantastic.
And the Porgs got really annoying really quickly.
Scriptwriters don't understand mass spirituality anymore. They think technology and logic will do away with any form of belief. This extends to believing in people and hunches. If the Resistance had backed Rose & Finn or told the people they were fighting with the plan the movie would have been better.
Shitty fan critiques about trusting the country bumpkin and other "flaws" in logic seem to have been used in writing the script.
The Zoroastrian concept of balance returns with a totally new perspective, though the script is filled with useless, childish moments which lower the film's credibility and seriousness.
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It's an okay movie.
It IS a beautfull movie, very well made.. but that's already expected from Disney.
Maybe I'm not so emotionaly compromissed with the franchise and that's why to me, it's only a 7/10.