When Episode VIII is released, the Star Wars franchise will have spanned a period of forty years. I'm glad that the Star Trek motion picture franchise was compressed in comparison, though the Star Trek universe has already existed for fifty years. Aside from both being set in space, there really is no comparison except for my love of both with Star Trek being responsible for my career choice in computer technology. I also remember standing in the long line to see Star Wars in 1977 and again in 1979 for Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Space, the final frontier...A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Watching this again away from the cinema and still really enjoy it, I love the mix of drama and humour and I enjoyed the plot. Bring on Episode IX
I love this movie more and more each time I watch it. I admit I was initially uncomfortable on my first viewing with how Luke was written, but that's what has made me love what Rian Johnson has done even more. He's using the characters in the movie to powerfully remind us how we build up people and things in our own minds (our "legends") and then are often disappointed when me meet them in person and they aren't everything we imagined them to be.
He essentially made Rey a stand-in for me, the lifelong Star Wars fan. I've been waiting 30 years since Return of the Jedi to meet Luke Skywalker again--I've built him up so much in my mind (and I suspect many others of my generation did as well) that if he didn't walk out with a laser sword and face down--and beat--the entire First Order in this movie, then I would have been disappointed. That's what I WANTED to see, I'm not ashamed to admit it. Rey also wanted Luke to come out and be the legend she'd heard about, so when he didn't we were BOTH disappointed.
That's why, when I watched it a second time and I made peace with where Luke was, the story really started growing on me. "The Last Jedi" isn't and never was going to be Luke's hero story, so if not that--how does Luke best serve the hero journey for Rey? Once I finally was able to get past saying in my own mind, "Luke Skywalker would NEVER do [fill in the blank]!" then I noticed a nuanced and thought-out story with very deep feelings embedded inside and was actually quite moved emotionally. It didn't happen on the initial viewing, but it's no longer too much of a stretch for me to believe that the same Luke who flew against the Death Star, and stood up to the Emperor and Darth Vader could also believe that because of his actions regarding his nephew, he may have left the Galaxy in worse shape by unleashing Kylo Ren. I LOVED LOVED LOVED Mark Hamill's performance and do feel that what he gave us on screen was everything I had waited decades to see. And even on first viewing, I was at peace with Luke's fate (much more so than I was with Han's fate the first time I saw "The Force Awakens")
I could go on defending, point by point, a bunch of things that fans have complained about and explain why they didn't bother me, but that won't change anyone's opinion. I don't have an issue with anyone who didn't like "The Last Jedi" and I won't argue that anyone should. However, I strongly disagree with those who say Johnson "ruined the franchise." He did not and I think this is a fine addition to the Skywalker story. I agree the movie does have some questionable plot moments--though the novelization of the movie by Jason Fry fills in a few of those apparent holes in the plot.
I have no problem putting "The Last Jedi" as my 2nd favorite in the franchise (behind "Empire Strikes Back").
It’s without a doubt the most interesting Star Wars film conceptually. Most of these films are aiming to be pure fastfood, so it’s nice to see an auteur come in and try to do something that has layers, broad ideas and subtext, though one could question what the point of that is when the general takeaway of the average, illiterate film goer seems to be to simply forget about the past. Now, Rian Johnson makes some obvious mistakes with this film. Yes, his insistence on subverting the viewer’s expectations left and right lead to some unsatisfying moments, but there are also more than a few of those moments that I’m fine with. He’s also never been that great with the balancing of tone, and some of the comedy here is so silly (not to mention just poorly executed) that it conflicts with the darker, more dramatic stuff it’s trying to do simultaneously. I like the arcs that he gives to the previously established characters (yes, including Luke, I thought this was a great direction for the character), but the new characters don’t leave as much of an impression, or they’re just given really weird conclusions (Rose’s final speech is a bit cringe). There are some brilliant visual moments, but there are also lots of scenes that don’t pop, particularly the ones set inside spaceships. I think Star Wars films require a bit more flash than just bland grey and white backgrounds. He does bring it occasionally, such as during the action scenes, and all of those are excellent if you ask me. Sure, a lot has been written about the supposed bad choreography during the Kylo and Rey team up fight, but it’s the kind of stuff I don’t notice because there’s a lot going on visually and the shots are so well composed. Furthermore, I love the opening scene and climax, truly fantastic sequences. However, I’m not as much a fan of the Canto Bight and Benicio Del Toro subplot, that never went to an interesting place. In fact, you could take that stuff out and you wouldn’t lose much. All in all, kinda saved by the acting, main character arcs, bigger ideas and decent filmmaking for me, but simultaneously far from great. That being said, the amount of hate directed at people like Rian Johnson and Kelly Marie Tran because of this film is downright embarrassing, Star Wars should truly be ashamed of its toxic fanbase of emotionally immature manchildren. In that regard I’m kinda glad that we have a filmmaker at the helm here who’s willing to be as creatively bold as this ended up being, even with it being as imperfect as it is.
6/10
After the hugely entertaining Force Awakens, Johnson is more keen to explore new territory than tread down familiar paths and what makes The Last Jedi so successful is not just that he is willing to subvert expectations that come with a Star Wars film, but also that he has a singular focus on developing all the central characters and it is this that makes this film so emotionally involving and gripping to watch. Johnson has picked up on the key story threads from the last entry, but unlike Episode VII which relied heavily on nostalgia and familiar scenarios, he has chosen to use his legacy characters to create a rich and thematically compelling entry into the saga that doesn’t simply rely on the audience’s nostalgia for previous films. It is to his credit that he has challenged not just the new characters but also the old, none more so than Luke, whose past and our awareness of it allows the filmmaker to contrast the nature of myth and legend with the reality of flawed character and all too human failure. Indeed, much of The Last Jedi’s central theme revolves around not just failure, but how each central character deals with it. Everyone from Luke to Hux experiences failure on some level during the film and Johnson is keen to explore each character’s central flaw, from Rey’s loneliness and need for a father figure/companion to Poe’s hot-headedness, and emphasise how each character develops as their flaw is exposed and challenged in some way. It makes for a fascinating film and for the first time since The Empire Strikes Back, there is palpable sense of tension that comes from a story moving into unfamiliar territory for every single character.
The performances across the board are strong and both Hamill and Fisher do some of their best work as Luke and Leia, without ever overshadowing the new characters. Indeed, every moment with Leia is tinged with sadness, given the cold reality of real life, but one of the many tragedies is that Fisher is no longer here to earn the plaudits for her performance that would have made her presence in Episode IX such an exciting prospect. Unfortunately it is not to be, but this is a wonderful note to go out on.
Like Force Awakens, there are some minor flaws - it’s one of the funniest Star Wars films, but the humour occasionally feels oddly anachronistic with the setting and classical nature of the series. Whilst the adventures of Finn and Rose on Canto Bight serve a purpose to expand on the themes of the film, they do feel extraneous and affect the pacing.
Perhaps the greatest flaw however that has been exposed by this film is in fact the central flaw of the entire sequel trilogy - the audience’s understandable desire to see Luke, Han and Leia again has ensured their happy ending from Return of the Jedi was inevitably going to be challenged and perhaps all of them would have been better utilised as legends to inspire the new. It is to the credit of both Abrams and Johnson that their inclusion has never felt wasted or betrayed, but as the saga inevitably moves beyond the past and embraces new characters, one can’t help feeling regret and sadness that the fairy tale nature of a happy ending has been exposed by age and inevitable death.
But that shouldn’t detract from a film that delivers everything one would hope for in a Star Wars film. It is the balance of old and new elements that Johnson has got spectacularly right, delivering the requisite moments of adventure, fun and spectacle, but at the same time delving into new territory that leaves the saga at an interesting turning point. As the film closes with an indelible image that will surely speak to every fan who grew up with a childhood dominated by the series, the mysteries of Episode VII may have largely been answered, but Episode IX is wide open and it’s anyone’s guess where the films will go. That is an exciting prospect.
The Last Jedi tore a lightsaber through my expectations, but delivered in so many ways. It's very rare these days for a movie to be backed so packed full of storyline and intrigue...especially one that runs at 153 minutes.
The cast were universally brilliant, but Adam Driver's stand-out performance was masterful, and Kellie Marie Tran was a surprise hit for me.
There were some strange comedy beats that didn't quite sit right for me, but I suspect this was still when my assumptions about The Last Jedi were still being screwed with.
Rian Johnson's direction was wonderful with so many beautiful visual treats woven together by an utterly captivating story. I can't wait to see what he has in store when he gets his own Start Wars trilogy.
Still incredible 6 years later, and the salty fanboys who've treated this no different than the prequel haters did 20 years ago still getting mad about it, just strengthens my resolve that this was so much better than any of them will ever admit.
This film was spectacular! It kept me on the edge of my seat the whole time. It's exciting, epic, funny, nostalgic and all those other cool things. I can't wait for it to be released on home media!
Love Episode VIII! I'll never understand all the hate this movie is getting. It's a gorgeous looking, thrilling fun ride.
i think this movie could have been so much better
Rather underwhelming, Star Wars: The Last Jedi is a solid sci-fi adventure, but it fails to build on the promise of The Force Awakens. After a costly attack on the First Order, the Resistance is depleted of resources and retreats to a fortified moon base for a last stand; meanwhile Rey pleads with a reluctant Luke Skywalker to train her to be a Jedi. None of the mysteries set up in the last film are followed through with or get satisfactory answers; Rey’s parentage, Snoke’s possible Jedi/Sith connection, Luke’s battle with the Knights of Ren, etc. The script is poorly written and the characters don’t feel the same. In fact, the directing and editing are so different that the film doesn’t even feel connected to the previous ones. Still, most of the action scenes are exciting and the lightsaber fights are intense and dramatic. And the special effects are especially well-done, making for some visually compelling set and character designs. While Star Wars: The Last Jedi doesn’t live up to the standard that’s been set by the new Star Wars films, it’s entertaining and moves the saga forward (though not by much).
"This is not going to go the way you think"
That's what kept happening to me. I thought one thing was going to happen and then something entirely different happens. I find that very entertaining. I really liked the way this was shot, the editing was fantastic. It was a little long. I really liked what Rian Johnson was able to expand on this universe while still focusing on a Skywalker story. I think the new Star Wars trilogy he is in charge of is in good hands.
I need a little more time to digest the movie and I would like to see it again before I give all my thoughts on the story. This felt like its own story and not a rehash at all. I think this is going into a very interesting direction. I look forward to seeing what J.J. Abrams can do.
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After a second viewing I still really like this. I think it moves the story and universe forward. Not much happens directly happens between the First Order and the Resistance. A lot of resistance die and their base is blown up but that’s nothing new for them and they did blow up the First Order’s base in TFA. The main point of the movie is character development. Like Kylo Ren said, "Let the past die." I think that is what this movie does. And not just because Luke dies or Snoke dies but they aren't going to rely on the original trilogy for everything.
I think part of the reason this movie having some fan backlash is because this movie does its own thing. It takes what The Force Awakens sets up and just kills certain plot points people have been theorizing about for 2 years. If you just sit back and go with what the movie is trying to accomplish then you will have a better time then trying to fight everything this movie does.
Rey's Parents: Nobodies. Unexpected but I can totally buy i . Especially with the last shot on the orphan kid with force powers. The Force was trying to balance itself matching Kylo Ren with Rey. I know people wanted her to be a Kenobi but I think this is more interesting.
Snoke's backstory: We got nothing. He is killed off without finding out anything about how he rose to power. Was he someone we would of known from before or are we just spoiled and expect him to be someone? Did Kylo Ren want his power or was he just trying to get away from him.
Luke training Rey: We all thought this was going to be like Yoda training Luke in Empire Strikes Back but it goes in an unexpected direction. There really wasn't any training. Rey has the Jedi books but will that help her? Maybe Luke will come back as a Force Ghost to coach her like Ben did for him.
Yoda coming back, as a puppet, was great to see. Luke and Leia's "reunion" was also nice to see. The Crait landscape was really cool with all the salt and red dirt. Crystal Critters and Porgs are specifically in here to sell toys. I totally thought they were going to be annoying but I was surprised and I actually really like Porgs.
There were some things I thought were a little stupid. Leia saving herself using the force to fly? I was genuinely shocked because I knew they weren't going kill her off after Carrie Fisher's unfortunate death but I thought maybe they would. Her having strong force powers I assumed but her never really using them and then all of a sudden flying to save her life was a little Deus Ex Machina.
Finn and Rose's story was my least favorite of the three main plot lines. It felt a little point less. Why did Finn call Maz too? He barley knows her. So they go find a code breaker, which happened to be played by Justin Theroux and I got super excited because I love The Leftovers TV show, but it just was a cameo. Benicio Del Toro's DJ was an interesting character. He is right, there are no good guys and bad guys, only people who are looking for personal gain whether it is ruling the Galaxy or more money. Is Phasma dead now? She fell into fire but I hope she can come back. She still really hasn't done much. It really is this plot line that expands the universe with weapon dealers and Force sensitive orphans and most of new creatures. I think this is what Rian Johnson's new trilogy could be the most like, more of a political drama with interesting new planets and creatures then a space epic. That might not be what people want from Star Wars but as a fan of Sci-fi I'm excited to see what he can do.
If The Force Awakens was about looking back and connecting it to the past, The Last Jedi was about looking forward and looking to the future.
This movie is right behind TFA for me. Here is a list of my personal rankings of all the Star Wars movies:
https://letterboxd.com/nmahoney416/list/star-wars-ranked/
My favorite Star Wars film ever
Absolutely awesome film, much better than the crap rouge one rubbish
While it is disappointing what was done to Luke. I was very entertained by this movie despite frustrating moments.
It’s still better than The Rise of Skywalker. Due to that just being no different than any other Star Wars film. With even villains from the past brought back for the hell of it.
This movie gets a lot of crap but it’s actually the best to look at Star Wars movies with some truly great shots. The story also takes all different directions that weren’t satisfying to fans. Though, at least not predictable or the copy and paste stuff that JJ Abraham’s gives us.
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I liked it. Better then "Rogue One" (although it is completly different story) but not as good as "The Force Awakens". Maybe becouse the latter played well on nostalgia note. Some scenes in "The Last Jedi" could easily be removed and it would do a favour to the movie. (especially the one with Leia "Space Drifter" Organa).
I couldn't believe it. To be honest, it feels like a pilot for an awful series. Star Wars truly ended in 1983.
It started off good the first few minutes then went downhill from there and never came back. It's a movie void of emotional depth and a film that treats their legacy characters like second class citizens. Disney just killed off another franchise. But hey, at least its better than VII because of the directing. But that still doesn't save this movie.
[9.2/10] Throw away the past. The rap on The Force Awakens was that it was too derivative, too indebted to A New Hope and the blueprint that had started the franchise. There was a sense that the new trilogy needed to break new ground, that having established the new setting, the new characters, and the new conflicts and mysteries, it was time to break from what had come before.
You could be forgiven for thinking that the film’s main characters share that sentiment. Kylo Ren states it explicitly. He pushes Rey to do the same while she labors under the weight of her unknown parentage. And Luke Skywalker himself, the Jedi Master who won the day in those lodestone films that forever emblazoned Star Wars into the annals of culture, has written off his past deeds, and with them, the Jedi as a whole, as a legacy of failure that needs to simply end.
But it cannot, and should not. Where The Force Awakens featured new heroes reliving the past, The Last Jedi features them remaking it. It is a film devoted to embracing the power of that legacy, good and bad, without being beholden to it. Episode 8 a film that is of a piece with its forebears, but also so full of its own life, character, feeling, and awe.
The fear among the fandom is that, as the second installment in the new trilogy, The Last Jedi would be a mirror image of The Empire Strikes Back. (Though, as with the complaints of borrowing from A New Hope, there are worse sources to crib from!). There’s some of that here. As with Episode V, The Last Jedi splits up its heroes, leaving one of them in training with an old Jedi master on a distant planet, and the other on the run from the bad guys, until everyone is united in the end. There’s offers to rule the galaxy and reveals of who the protagonist’s true parents are and a less-than-savory character who seem like friends and then sell our heroes out.
But Episode VIII echoes the whole of the Original Trilogy in moving, thought provoking ways, not just the middle chapter of it. The film meditates (nigh-literally) on the most iconic image of the original Star Wars film -- Luke gazing off at the horizon in search of adventure. It features our light side hero being lured into the throne room of the Big Bad in the hopes of turning the black hat with the twinge of a conscience still remaining, just as Return of the Jedi did with Luke, Palpatine, and Vader. From blue milk to adorable forest-dwelling creatures to wizened masters passing into their next lives and leaving their robes behind, The Last Jedi is not so much reinterpreting The Empire Strikes Back as it is ruminating on all of Star Wars at once.
And yet what’s so striking about the film is that it’s so much more than a recapitulation of those films. It is, a celebration of them, a reflection on them, and an exploration of them, that advances and subverts those ideas and themes as much as it reintroduces them.
It takes the trigger-happy flyboy, the Han Solo-esque roguish type who, true to that lineage, shoots first and asks questions later, and tempers him with the reveal that the calm, measured leadership was a product of careful and clever planning rather than cowardice. It takes the Big Bad, the mysterious power behind the black-clad dragon who can shoot lightning and bark evil monologues, and kills him off suddenly halfway through the film rather than making him the final obstacle to be overcome.
And it takes the biggest mystery of this new trilogy, the question of who Rey’s parents are, that so many diehards and casual fans alike have been buzzing over, and delivers the most inspired subversion. Rather than Luke’s lost daughter or the Emperor’s scion or Kylo Ren’s forgotten twin, she is the product of nobodies, who sold her for drinking money. It’s a truth that deep down she always knew, but couldn’t accept, because like the audience, she assumed that for someone to have fate on their side, to be able to live a life with meaning, they must come from somewhere, from someone.
But that idea is, despite the Skywalker-mad connections of everything that followed, antithetical to the animating beginnings of Star Wars. Before it was decided that Luke was the son of Darth Vader, he was simply the son of some other guy named Anakin Skywalker. He was a nondescript moisture farmer on a backwater planet who was the last guy you’d expect to take down The Empire’s greatest weapon.
That’s what made his journey so powerful. He wasn’t The Chosen One in A New Hope. He was just a kid with unrealized potential who, with the right guidance and the right chance, could save the day. The Last Jedi returns its chosen one to those roots, to providence shining down on the common, that the savior of the galaxy can come from nothing.
It’s a reversion that’s anchored by the character dead set on rejecting his own longstanding anointment. Mark Hamill is a revelation here. Gone is the naive farm boy who whined about picking up power converters, and gone is the seasoned master who saved the world and redeemed his enemy, and in their place is haunted cynic, convinced he’s caused as many problems as he’s ever solved. There’s a caustic quality to the character here, one that makes him gruff and dismissive of Rey, fatalistic about the Jedi, and unquestionably angry at himself.
Where there was an cornbread innocence to the Luke we met on tatooine, The Last Jedi introduces his echo, a man who looks upon his accomplishments that have ascended into legend as false fables of failure, and the current blight sweeping the galaxy as a fault of his own that he cannot elide or escape. He’s done seeing the battle between the dark and the light, and instead sees the continuum between the two, the yin-yang like symbols that dot his surroundings and the film as a whole, the balance that leads light to breed darkness and darkness to breed light.
That sense of balance is at the heart of The Last Jedi. It comes between Rey and Kylo Ren, who feel a force-forged connection between the two of them that lets each see the other beyond the monolithic figures who stand in opposition to one another. It comes in Leia, who tries to find the midpoint between striking the blows necessary to stay in the fight and not losing too many of her compatriots in the process. And it comes in DJ, the Lando-like figure who rejects the good guy/bad guy dichotomy and sees the struggle between The Resistance and The First Order as the changing of the tides he’s unwilling to be swept up in.
It’s there that The Last Jedi feels the most reflective, even political, in ways deeper than the four-color civics parable told by The Prequels. It asks who benefits from these conflicts, who profits from them, and whether who’s on the right side and who’s on the wrong side can be so clear cut when Republics beget Empires, conquerors beget resistance, and slaughterers beget saviors who train yet more slaughterers. In all of the mythic good vs. evil that’s so much in the bones of Star Wars, Episode VIII steps back and dares to consider that conflict, that never ending cycle, as part of some larger, indifferent system rather than an epic journey toward salvation.
It also restores a sense of utter awe to the franchise. Johnson and cinematographer Steve Yedlin create thrilling, jaw-dropping sequences that rarely lose a sense of continuity, instead allowing even the more firework-heavy sequence to progress organically and tell a story rather than simply providing raw but empty splendor. When Leia glides through space to return to her ship, or Rey and Kylo Ren fight hand-to-hand with the Red Guards (who actually get to do something for once!), when our heroes and villains meet in crimson-dusted splendor in the final frame, Johnson and Yeldin show a virtuosity with big spectacle filmmaking to match the thematic and emotional resonance of the rest of their film.
But that spectacle never detracts from the feeling imbued into the film. Episode VIII is not merely a political tract. It’s not a heap of pretty but hollow action. It’s not even just a deconstruction and reconstruction of the films from whence it sprung. It’s a story populated by characters who love and hurt and feel.
There is power in the moment when Rey and Kylo Ren’s hands touch across light years not just as the meeting of lightness and the dark, but as a human connection between two struggling individuals on either side of the same crisis of self. There is meaning when Rose jams Finn out of the path of his suicide mission, not just for the thrill of the moment, but for Finn’s nobility in trying to live the most potent opposite of running away, and Rose’s attachment in saving him, rather than stopping him. And when Luke kisses Leia on the top of her head, it’s not just imbued with the impact of an on-screen goodbye having to stand-in for an offscreen one; it’s imbued with the poignancy of a film that builds the place in one another’s lives each occupies long before they’re face-to-face for the final time.
Because in a way, they both have to move on. Luke has to let go of his failures, cast off his guilt, to do as a delightfully, once again impish Yoda suggests and let his pupils outgrow him. Rey has to let go of her belief that her family is waiting for her, and find the new family who’s sustained her to this point. And even as he seeks the means to rule the galaxy, Ben Solo cannot let go of the masters who’ve failed him, of the feelings that rage inside him, and of the parents who cannot help needing, no matter how much he may want to.
But moving on doesn’t have to mean throwing things away. It can mean giving something back. It can mean sacrificing yourself, ending something, so that something else can be born anew in its place. It can mean preserving the tiniest spark of rebellion, the brave men and women and quirky droids who can start a conflagration to spread across the galaxy. It can mean doing great deeds, that will be bent and twisted and have consequences you never imagined five steps down the line, but also inspire the next nobody on a nothing planet to gaze up at the sky and wonder what adventure may lie there.
The Last Jedi moves on from its predecessors without discarding them, and moves forward enough to leave plenty of room for its successors, both literal and figurative. It moves on from the George Lucas originals, and even from its immediate, J.J. Abrams-helmed predecessor. But it embraces the spirit of these things, an aims to recreate that feelings, that core, that sense of wonder, for a new generation.
In that, Star Wars itself is like The Force as Luke describes it. It does not belong to Lucas or Abrams or Johnson or even our continually growing overlords at the Disney Corporation. It belongs to all of them and none of them, and to us. Like The Force, like the Rebellion, Star Wars is as much an idea as it is a franchise, and just as Lucas himself reimagined those ideas from Kurosawa films and Flash Gordon serials, Johnson posits himself as doing the same, and instilling the hope that one day, kids will look to these bits of awe and wonder and be moved to look out past the horizon and tell their own stories just as he was.
So don’t throw away the past. Remember it. Embrace it. It informs what we do and who we are and who we will one day be. But don’t be bound by it. Be inspired by it. As cheesy as that sounds, The Last Jedi makes good on all the inspiration thirty years of Star Wars has provided. And just as Luke, Leia, Rey, Ben, and the rest of the conflicted figures who populate the film do, Johnson reaches out in the hopes of not just vindicating that legacy, but extending it to whatever, and whoever comes next, no matter who they are or where they come from.
Whats next Disney?
Star Wars IX: The Jedi (Disney) Princess & Army of Crystal Foxes (ft. Elsa from Frozen)
Force Awakens is far better. This was choppy, slow, plot-holey and in a couple of places cheap looking.
Still there are quite a few good bits (mostly with Rey), but don't fall for the critic hype.
(EDIT: After pondering this movie more, and reviewing my Star Wars films in order of greatness list https://trakt.tv/users/kanootcha/lists/star-wars-movies , I've come to the conclusion that, apart from the obvious exception of the first movie, it takes Lawrence Kasdan writing for a Star Wars film to really shine. I guess my theory will be put to the test next May when Solo, co-written by Kasdan, hits the screen.)
I absolutely hated it when I saw it in the theater and wanted nothing to do with it. After a year, I finally watched it a second time and it wasn't as bad. There are a lot of open ends where they can take the next film. Lets hope they end it right.
While Rogue One proved that an epic Star Wars still can be made these days. EP8 can't match this, but it is still better than EP7 was.
There are some really bad scenes like Leia floating through space. Sorry absolutely not believable and senseless. It would have been the perfect ending for her. Instead they make a Marry Poppins scene out of it. Not the first of a kind tho, Leia was already wandering around in Vacuum without a space suit in the asteroid belt in EP5. That was already bad enough. Then the still pathetic bad guys. Snoke gone with still absolutely no back story, That lousy Imperial ginger general. Captain Phasma still without any remarkable performance.... suprisingly Kylo made much more sense this time. Last but not least, just like in EP7 too many scenes stolen from previous Star Wars movies Battle of Hoth, Throne room with rebels dying in the background, Millenium Falcon in the Cave/Deathstar2
There were also some scenes I loved Bomber Attack on dreadnaught at start, Fight with the red stormtroopers in the throne room, Chewie eating the penguins, Luke milking the cow thingy
All in all, not the best of all Star Wars, but definitely worth watching.
One of the top 2 films in the Star Wars universe, with A New Hope. I can’t even keep track of what the fandom considers a good entry in the franchise, but this is a good film, period.
I’m very disappointed. This could have been so much more but fell flat.
A long, long time ago ... and it keeps in suspense almost until the end :) Plot very similiar to SW: V. Giving -1 point for incredibly talented Rey in her newly acquired skills. :)
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The Last Jedi is easily the most colorful and visually stunning film in the series so far. The blend of CGI and practical effects work perfectly to form a realistic and lively universe.
It's lovely to see Leia take center stage for this film. Carrie Fisher (Star Wars, 1977) puts in all her heart in the performance and it's a joy to see her final role played with such warmth.
Oscar Isaac (Ex Machina, 2014) gets more to do as Poe Dameron and puts in a largely good performance.
The film keeps focus on the familiar characters from the first film, developing them further, while also giving us new characters to enjoy. Kelly Marie Tran's Rose brings some much needed diversity to the cast, while Laura Dern (Marriage Story, 2019) as Holdo adds some tension.
BB-8 continues to be one of the most clever, funny and cute new additions to the Star Wars mythos.
The fight in Snoke's chamber and the aftermath on the rebel base is quite possibly the most visually stunning battle sequence in the series so far.
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Leia being sucked out into space after an explosion is a powerful moment, immediately ruined by the weirdest and possibly even stupidest moment in all of Star Wars.
Rey's training with Luke on the island present some interesting new sides for both characters and easily belong to the darker moments in the series.
Several obvious nods to the classic trilogy always warm the heart of a fan. While the story still mimics some elements from the classic trilogy, The Empire Strikes Back (1980) in particular, it's less profound when compared to The Force Awakens (2015).
There are some beautiful emotional moments that are among the finest in the saga.
Everything feels so big and epic in this film, so it's hard to imagine how Disney could top this in Rise of Skywalker (2019).
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There's lots of silly humor in the dialogue and acting. It's the kind of humor that would suit perfectly in an MCU film, but feels terribly misplaced in a Star Wars film.
Adam Driver (Marriage Story) puts in another good performance as Kylo Ren, a character tailored for him. It's a pity the character himself is tragic, yet extremely annoying.
Something feels wrong with Mark Hamill's (Star Wars) return to his iconic role. There's no real joy to see him back, as it feels like he's only in for the money. He treats the character like a Yoda ripoff and a comedic shadow of his past self.
Rey and Kylo Ren communicating through the Force is a cringe-worthy idea, even if it's nicely edited.
The adventure on Canto Bight introduces a new sparkling setting, but also feels like filler material to extend the film's run-time. The main story is quite simple, but it has been stretched out to an extent.
Much like in The Force Awakens, it feels like there is a lot going on all the time and no real time to breathe and calm down between battles and explosions.
The Last Jedi strays further away from the logic and boundaries of the Force, paving way for new ways to use the power when deemed necessary. It weakens the ties to the original films.
Benicio del Toro (Sicario, 2015) is a hilarious and slimy, albeit totally unnecessary, new character.
There's a plethora of endings to this movie, and it feels like they try to cram way too much content into its runtime. They could have easily left some of the stuff for Rise of Skywalker.
The Luke/Kylo fight is pretty meh, even if it looks nice.
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General Hux (Domnhall Gleeson) was pretty useless in The Force Awakens, but at least he felt somewhat menacing. Here, he is made into a comic relief baddie for no reason.
After barely appearing in The Force Awakens and finally becoming interesting in The Last Jedi, Snoke (Andy Serkis) is disposed of like a bad joke. That is the biggest crime of this film.
Writer-director Rian Johnson (Knives Out, 2019) clearly scraps several story ideas set in motion by J. J. Abrams (Star Trek, 2009) and others in Episode VII to try and take the saga in another direction. Some of his decisions feel messy, particularly when taking into account the previous film. It's going to be a daunting task to write the story out of some of the corners it has landed in with this installment.
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The Final Face: :smiley: // Good
I have absolutely no idea how this movie manages to contain green milk on the one hand and, on the other, so many amazing goosebumps moments, stunning visuals, actually funny jokes and heart-pounding action... but it does. Absolutely brilliant.
it was amazing. can't wait for the next movie of star wars. the force is with is with us with the new Gen!
Long time ago in a galaxy far far away... but it still keeps in tension. :) I felt a little copy from the SW: ep. V, but in general quite good action movie. I gave -1 "heart" for astonishing Rey and her new so well trained just discovered abilities. ;)
Contains major spoilers !!!!!
Huge and utterly dissapointing. After TFA I said this movie would make or break the story. For me it broke.
Where to begin? Let´s start with my biggest problem.
After that rebel cruisers bridge was hit and Leia was thrown into space we saw her drifting in the cold empty vacuum of space. This was a powerful scene and I had tears welling up in my eyes thinking that would be a great ending for the character dying how she always lived. Fighting. I did not realise, or care, that it would have been a huge coincidence had they written this scene at that point not knowing Carrie would pass away. But as I said powerful scene. And then she opens her eyes and floated back into the ship still beeing alive. At that point I was seriously considering leaving the cinema. It´s scifi but, please, without as much as a hint of an explanation that is just awful writing. It is Disney all over it. Anyway I stayed and watched the rest but in general I was done with the movie.
There are tons of other things I didn´t like.
way to much unnessesary and stupid humor. Most of the time it does not fit and just destroys scenes. Holding for General Hux - that might have been OK once but two or three times it just becomes goofy. And there is more of this througout the movie.
the writing was all over the place. So much things going on that do little to nothing for the general plot and just add playtime. Like that whole thing with the codebreaker, going to the casino. Just sugarcoating CGI.
and speaking of playtime - way too long. About five times towards the end I thought it was over. It could have ended when the reached the rebel base- no let´s add another battle. When they realised they where trapped. With Luke going out to face Kylo. At some point I would have been OK with the movie ending with the First Order defeating the rebels, everyone dying, and the franchise done with. But of course that is not happening and the movie ends.....no, just show us a kid with a broom looking at the stars and indicate he could be the hero of a future movie.
in many ways the continuation of storylines is not satisfiying. They introduce Snoke in the first movie without an explanation who he is, where he comes from and how he got there. Would have been OK, could have done later. So now he´s dead without so much as a fight and there are questions left to be answered.
what about Rey ? Are we really to believe her parents were some drunk and drifting scavengers that sold her for money like Ren said ? That would be very stupid because how in the universe could she master the Force in ways even the best Jedis or Sith couldn´t without as much as years of training. Another void in the storytelling.
too many, shall I call them, homage scenes ? A lot of times I felt I had already seen this movie. The scene in the throne room f.e. Snoke = Emperor, Rey = Luke, Ben = Vader, the destruction of the rebel fleet playing in the background and the Ben killing Snoke is like Vader killing the Emperor. I know that was said about TFA as well but I feel it´s much worse here. The Battle of Hoth reviseted would be another thing where they re-did some scenes to a T. All that was left was tow cables.
Those are just some examples of the things I disliked and maybe there could be satisfactory explanation later. There is a lot more but it would take too much time to write it down. But I doubt I will go to the cinema for the next one.
To be fair there where some positives in this movie.
I liked the scenes with Rey and Luke althought they did not really lead anywhere. But some nice insights into Lukes story after ROTJ.
The conversations between Kylo and Rey where very interesting and I thought there was really potential to steer the story to something new and exciting. Not happening.
So overall I was not satisfied. I really like TFA, it built some expectations that where all crushed with this. As far as I am concerned I am done with this new story. I am not not very eager to find out what else the canibalise and how they try to write themselves out of this. There is nothing left.
This is my view of the movie. If you liked it I´m happy for you.
May the Force be with us. Always.
EDIT: upon rewatch, I believe the open bar and pageantry of the premiere enabled me to put on goggles that shielded me from the trainwreck that is this film. Rian Johnson is a sorry excuse for a writer. It will probably be retconned at least 5 times in episode 9.
World Premiere Review: Vague, Spoiler-Free Edition
It was amazing. It still does nostalgic fan service, but nowhere near what Episode 7 or Rogue One felt like. It feels like its own film. It gets a little slow and repetitive in the last half of the first third of the film, but after the major show down in the middle of the film, it's non-stop action that's brilliantly paced. GO SEE IT!
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
I loved it, but also underwhelming.
It provided some of the most beautiful shots, and character moments I've seen.
Some of the plot was baffling, had holes and felt unessassary.
The humour got laughs, but almost always felt forced.
6/10
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The overall story was excellent. That being said there were so many individual scenes that were unnecessary and had me actually saying "what the fuck" out loud in the cinema. Also many scenes where either the camera work was awful, or the choice of camera shot was terrible. Jokes seemed forced like the creators were saying "here laugh at this" even though it wasn't really that funny at all and just made it awkward. There were some epic parts that I really liked but overall didn't really enjoy it as much as I had hoped.
I thought the movie was going okay but oml the movie became terrible when rey started to attack luke… she was going to beat the shit out of him?? Kylo murdered tons of kids but Luke is the bad guy O_o, what if Luke didn’t grab the broke spear in time or didn’t defend himself :sob::skull::sob: (I know the Disney Star Wars movies are bad) but that scene is probably the stupidest thing in the trilogy so far, lol Also the the 40 min pointless casino scene is stupid asf because if they could leave without the first order (who can track though lightspeed) tracking them why didn’t they tell the resistance so then everyone could leave and escape without being seen instead of towards the end…
If she would’ve let Finn sacrifice himself there it would’ve been the only redeeming thing about his character.. but nooooo “save those who we love” as everyone behind them is getting lasted to holy hell
More of a 9 really but when so many bitter people give it ridiculously low ratings you have to try to counter it somehow.
For those who think Star Wars and Star Trek have "gone too left wing", either you didn't watch any of the originals or you missed the entire point of them.
Am I the only one who actually liked this? Everyone seems to hate this ending?
This was - in my opinion - better than Rouge One, which I did not like at all, but not as good as The Force Awakens.
This movie is totally amazing.
Muy pero que muy muy buena. Por fin un soplo de aire fresco a la saga. Basta ya de vivir de las rentas con los skywalker
It is a movie you watch once, curse to the movie gods and then never again. Yes, good acting. Yes, awesome action (fast paced even) but ungodly amounts of high school attempt of humor (if that). I mean, who finds it even remotely entertaining to see person A tries to eat a BBQ of animal B and animal B kids with Bamby eyes are looking sad and he is like ohhh man... ok, you are too cute, I cannot.. Is that for parents to have a fun moment with their 12 year old? Maybe, but do that with a Pixar movies, NOT Star Wars. And the dialogues... oh my... wanted to hit mute just so I could forget it (does not work... they stick). I feel embarrassed for the script writer who will be confronted by that nonsense for the rest of his/her carrer (I hope). It is like Jar Jar Binks is comming back to haunt us....
Oh, and 6 because it was fast paced and good action scenes. Also, the end scene is pretty cool. The brushes shoulders off bit was the only scene I had to chuckle. You will know what I mean.
This movie was well over 45 minutes longer than it ever needed to be!! That's before the ending credits. I will personally edit it and see if I enjoy it more. All in all I did not like most of it. The Writer and Director should never be aloud to make any film again!! Amen
I really didn't realise how much I was looking forward to this movie until I was about half way through.
a decent enough entry in the star wars franchise, and thankfully, not as much nostalgia this time around. disappointed with how easily Snoke was despatched, and the scene where Leia survives being in space by using the force was cringeworthy and almost made me laugh. take away the star wars name, and you have a decently good sci-fi adventure
I’m really struggling with my thoughts on my self-enforced rewatch. I appreciate tearing everything apart and creating an alternative tone in this universe. I know decades have passed for all the characters we love. So Luke can be snarky and earn that bitter ol’ man on the mountain trope. Leia could be advanced in her Force Training enough to cheat death by asphyxia. Sure.. Rey and Ben have a soul tie that links them telepathically.
But.
I feel like this isn’t the school yard Star Wars adventure that I want to play in anymore. My generation made up its own fanfics for these characters— it never fully belonged to Lucas. Thinking about it this way, it’s like I don’t agree with the direction this iteration developed. It feels too different from its source material, and too divergent from the universes I played in, read and watched. I’m going to keep my original “fair” review, but it hurts. I want to like it more, up it to “good”, but I can’t. The writing skill doesn’t support the giant leaps that the new story wants to take.
TLJ is, thankfully, a much better film than TFA, although that in itself isn't much of an achievement, given how awful TFA was. The brilliant review from @andrewbloom is virtually spot-on, but there were a few element to TLJ that let down an otherwise generally good return to form for a SW film.
Firstly, the whole scene where Leia Force-pulled herself back from the oblivion of space, having been on a command bridge that was totally obliterated by the First Order, leaving no survivors apart from (conveniently) her, was just insulting and ridiculous. Force-strong or not, she would almost certainly have been killed instantly, and if not, so severely injured that she wouldn't be in a strong enough state to suddenly call upon Force powers that she has apparently never used before, that would take a great deal of focus and energy, in order to save herself. Seeing her body floating away was a really strong, powerful moment that would have done true justice to both Leia and the then-recently-and-tragically deceased Carrie Fisher; an honourable hero's death as a freedom fighter. Instead, the whole scene is shattered by a ridiculous miraculous recovery for just long enough to get back to the ship.
Secondly, the humorous moments (esp Dameron toying with Hux) were just over-cooked and corny. They don't detract too much from the film overall, and I'm all for injecting some humour into what is otherwise a dark and sombre film (aka TESB), but what was there was just cheap and tacky.
Thirdly, everything about Snoke makes no sense (without any enlightenment from subsequent films/TV shows). Who/what is he, other than the Supreme leader of The First Order (again something about which we have learned little, from either TFA or TLJ). Where did he come from? For such an insightful, devious, powerful Force user, how could he not have sensed Ren's lightsaber deception when he was already probing his mind? Although that last point could be explained away by him being focused on Rey, but it just came across as to easy and convenient a way to dispose of such a powerful antagonist.
Fourthly, Disney again ruined what would have been a powerful scene by not having Finn (who was much less annoying than in TFA, but still an irritating, dumb grunt obsessed with "getting the girl") complete his suicide mission, and thus dying a hero (and killing off their weakest and most unlikable protagonist). Instead, there is - again - a silly and pointless love story thrown in between him and Rose that culminates in her senseless and meaningless death. This in no way added to the plot or the film as a whole; precisely the opposite, in fact. It is just another example of weak direction from Disney to try and add in the schmaltz that Americans seem to need to have in every action film that they produce.
The end product is absolutely laughable, but Rian's general approach should be lauded, and is what I wanted from a new trilogy of films.
Remember the old, but burn down the constraints that it holds you to, and build something greater together.
If they'd have let him control the entire arc and move forward with the destruction of the Jedi/Sith binary dichotomy, I think the Star Wars movies would have been in a much better place right now. Additionally, the theme that greatness and change can come from anyone, anywhere is better than reverting back to birthright, blood relations and the bloody Skywalkers and Palpatines again.
Such a missed oppurtunity. I hope when Disney inevitabley attempt whatever comes after this, they remember some of the messages put in place here and carry them forward. I don't want Blue Saber v Red Saber for the rest of time.
absolute garbage, nearly ruined the whole franchise for me.
I guess at this point the story is becoming so ridiculous that it could be more fun if it would focus on adventure and the fantasy world (e.g. like Star Trek or Lost in Space). Luke's surprise in the end wasn't that bad though.
The First Order continues to throw money around without achieving much. It's not like Star Wars ever made much sense but now it's starting to become annoying, e.g.:
- In the first space "battle" one X-Wing can own their fleet because their turrets aren't (properly) shielded and they only launch very few fighters.
- The light saber battles are basically dances.
- The fact that shields cannot protect against objects traveling at light speed defies the last reasons for having big ships, battle stations, etc.
But hey, it's still Star Wars, the CGI is great (thanks to the ILM magicians), and it's nice to see more of the world/universe (which IMO is much more interesting than the boring fights).
I liked it but now I also remember why I didn't watch this in the cinema and that I really should downgrade my rating a bit.
This movie is so bad I want to pull my hairs out.
Kylo vs Luke could have been the most epic lightsaber battle of all time. It was set up so perfectly to only be a huge disappointment SMH. god this movie was a beautiful disaster.
I watched this movie on the release date. I have been a stars wars fanatic since I was child. What the hell happened to the story line in this? Was and still am very disappointed, I can't even bring myself to sit through it a second time. I like the force awakens very much and how the reinvigorated the story line, but this pretty much ruined everything they did in the previous film. Watch it if you are a star wars fan, but be prepared to be DISAPPOINTED!
Very different for a Star Wars movie, but very enjoyable nonetheless.
great movie. the know world and very entertaining. but......
new but the same but new and sti
ll the same.
new characters to appeal to new audiences but seems a remake of the old proven story.
still enjoyed it very much.
Is this movie (and trilogy) nothing new nor essential to the whole Star Wars universe? True, but I really enjoyed it and seeing the characters develop too (specially Kylo, thank God it got better). Now, my fear is that a day may come that I stop enjoying them and they start doing more damage than good (or neutral at least) to this universe. Cause, you know, Disney's like: "if can make millions for the next 15 years, what esle matters?"
I really didn't realise how much I was looking forward to this movie until I was about half way through.
This movie takes a lot of risks, and for that to happen to a franchise and even the Star Wars franchise is something special. However I might admit that the first 1/3 (not including the first space battle scene) is extremely disappointing with some reveals that have extremely poor execution. Soon after the battle, some characters get sent on a mission which I’m pretty sure contained a countless amount of MacGuffins and some lacklustre world-building which is unlike anything Star Wars would ever do.
As I was watching these scenes on Canto Bight, I honestly thought they’ve messed this up so badly that it’s unsaveable. However, the last 1/3 is some of the most outstanding scenes that this franchise has to offer. The battle scenes are fantastic and tension is high throughout. The island scenes with Luke and Rey are also a highlight with some fantastic creature-effects as is to be expected with the franchise. There is also some great character development, especially of existing characters, which is helped by some fantastic acting (Luke, Rey and Kylo are stand-outs) and some superb direction by Rian Johnson which ties everything up really well. I could make the point that this stuff was so good that I was disappointed by everything else but it all has to be at the same level and it wasn’t. I think I’m nervous yet excited for Episode IX, it has the potential to be terrible or fantastic.
And the Porgs got really annoying really quickly.
Really poorly written. Can't believe there were so many predictable moments and moments filled with complete and utter pathos. So, so dissappointed.
totally and completely disappointing. The influence of Disney was more than obvious, what was with all the comic relief? this is star wars not The princess bride. The casino scene was totally out of scope, Luke was out of character and completely bad, and of course there was no plot or story, just a Mashup of the first three star wars. I want to thank all the actors and director who ruined the movie.
This was......... weirdly written.......... Somehow the characters you have never seen before get better emotional scenes than the ones you have. Holdo, who?
I was so disappointed in this film. Many reasons, however my top 5 are below:
1. Luke Skywalker was a sulking version of his younger self. He is a Jedi master who can't control his emotions but pouts and argues and then goes back on his word. Mark Hamil and Luke' character deserved better.
2. Not a single light saber duel....
3. The final battle scene, though slightly exciting, was underwhelming. Kylo Ren, who can stop a blaster bolt in mid air, can barley defeat those red guards. It should have had Snokes fighting both of them, which leads into #4
4. Snokes character is just killed off...nothing spectacular, not a worthy death to someone so powerful
5. The whole casino plot...stupid
I had none of the nostalgia that the Force Awakens gave me. What is there to look forward to in the next film....what was set up? What questions do we have other than...why was the Last Jedi so lame...
Final thought....Superwoman Leah????
This is an 8~9 movie, but rating 10 as to offset all the delusional veteran fans.
This movie has the worst plot of all the saga, a lot of WTF moments, and corrupts one of the best characters of the star wars universe. In regards to the plot, the rebels are being chased by the first order's destroyers at light speed, so Admiral Holdo, the lady with pink hair (they don't even care to give her a proper background) is the highest rank on duty (at the time, Price Leia is in the infirmary). She has a plan but tells none. That makes the rest of the crew think she will destroy everything the rebellion worked for, sosome of them go rogue. The conflict the film is based on a communication problem...
Like i said, theres A LOT of absurd scenes that will most certainly make you facepalm, like the moment when the spaceship's bridge of the rebels is blown to pieces you see Leia dead floating in space, when she suddenly starts flying back to the ship; or when Snoke, the most powerful man in the First Order gets killed by Ren's dumb trick...
Finally, in my opinion, this chapter corrupted (and even destroyed) Luke's character. Once a legend, he is portaited as a coward that even tried to kill his own nephew. The film tries to redeem him at the end, but it doesn't quite do it. If you expect a fan service fiIm, you will be satified, since there's a ton of references, but if you expect something more, i suggest you save your money.
I put off watching this one for so damn long, but now it was time to face Disneys latest...well...I suppose it can be called a Star Wars movie. It had the logo and the music at least...
After two and a half hours of anti-white and anti-male feminist propaganda, I would like to give out some thanks...
First of all, I would like to thank Rian Johnson for writing and directing the biggest piece of garbage that has ever graced the silver screen.
Not only did you manage to ruin the biggest hero in the franchise, you also managed to turn the whole franchise into a feminists wet dream.
Second, I would like to thank Disney for ruining one of the biggest science fiction franchises. We certainly have enough of those, haven't we?
Third, and last, I would like to thank and congratulate Kathleen Kennedy. You finally did it. You managed to take everything that was great about Star Wars, and flush it down the toilet. You certainly changed the franchise in your own image...badly written feminist garbage.
To be honest, I don't mind strong female characters, nor do I really mind that the only white males in the movie were bad guys IF it suits the story, BUT when the story is written very poorly in the first place, and then the characters are written in and portrayed the way they are just to please a certain demographic of man and white hating feminists and SJWs, it really makes me question what the hell is going on at Disney.
I'm not going to give Disney any more of my money until they kick both Kennedy and Johnson to the kerb and give Star Wars the writers and directors the franchise deserves.
Don't bother with this shit unless you have to...certainly not if you have to pay for it.
I'd rather watch a 9 hour documentary on Jar-Jar Binks than rewatch this movie. RIP franchise.
What’s with the high rating? This movie was pretty shit. I dunno if it’s the non existent character development, what was the point of the Chinese girl character?? Or whether it’s just a cartoon I’ve long grown out off. Such a long film with so little substance, so little emotion, so forgettable. 5/10, mostly tedious.
That was incredibly bad. Predictable and sø many weird scenes, avengers-like funny lines in serious situations. And that fucking weird attempt to sell more merchandise by adding that annoying bird, that's too fat to fly in irl.
Star Wars is dead, The Last Jedi killed it.
It will subvert your expectations, if you expected a good film, something that makes sense or is a movie with the Star Wars in its name.
It was an attempt to cut ties to almost everything that came before but failed to rebuild something - anything - new. Each pointless aswell as stupid action/decision/plot twist is followed by the next, sprinkled in are many unnecesary jokes (to appeal to a younger target audience one wants to believe) and the viewer is left with a complete mess.
Compared to the legacy this movie has, it is by far the worst film I've ever seen!
If this would have the been first movie in the series, it would still count as a very bad way to pass your time.
On the other hand, it would have been quite the cringe parody (that no one asked for) if renamed accordingly.
Too long, too silly and too Disney. This will be my LAST star wars movie. 4/10
Why did this happen? Why does this movie exist?
best star wars movie after rogue one
Not sure about this movie. I‘m a die hard, hardcore Star Wars fan, but something about this feels off. It may be true that this was better than TFA and R1, but I know for sure that I was a lot happier after those movies. Rey did not get proper training from Luke even though that was the whole reason why she went there and that was what we were hoping it would happen. It doesn’t. At least not anything that comes close to what Luke went through on Dagobah. Also ... Luke dies from exhaustion. Wtf. I loved the reveal after the big fight that was genius. But then he dies from exhaustion? C'mon now.
Pure entertainment! As a fan of cinema but not so much the Star Wars saga (I liked the original three and Rogue One, basically) I found this installment to be a very entertaining film with heart, action and a good story. The cinematography is often breathtaking and the special effects are strong in this one. Perhaps one too many cliffhangers, but it's hard to fault a film for having too many action sequences. In a year that's had many disappointing big budget action films, The Last Jedi is one of the best.
Terrible writing. Complete misunderstanding of the characters and story... I'm done with Star Wars. Was a good run, but it's over for me.
Okay. So. Star Wars The Last Jedi. Late comment. This is sort of a mixed bag. It does feel like a film for kids/teens and fangirls (or their parents). A jumbled mess with dumb characters' decision.
But it is -way- better than Star Wars The Farce Awakens. I mean The Forced Awakens. The Force Awakens. Rian Johnson deserves more credits than Jar Jar Abrams.
First thing first: at the very least, TLJ dares to try something new where TFA couldn't. By "something new" I mean not the new MCU-flavored jokes and quips slipping everywhere but new formula and new themes.
The best thing from TLJ involves Luke a lot.
Among them is the idea of grey morality and Luke being "ordinary human" shrouded in myth. The take with Luke and Ben (Kylo Ren) relationship is nice. He is no all-powerful all-wise Jedi; he makes mistakes, he hesitates, he regrets. We didn't get enough build up to explain why Luke did what he did in the past, and Johnson resorted to the typical Kylo being "too powerful", but I guess it was decent.
The scenes where Luke dispels the myth of him being the legendary Jedi is also great. This might be relevant in this day and age of celebrity politicians when a divorce of one politician suddenly becomes everyone's concern.
And, of course, the most important thing in-universe is Luke's explanation about The Force being some sort of energy that surrounds us. Not innate power. This should correct the mistakes Jar Jar Abrams made in TFA and Gareth Edwards made in Rogue One.
There is also one good thing from Finn and Rose mischievous adventure. It feels like it attempts to bring up Prequel Trilogy serious tone concerning arms trade. Benicio del Toro also has one good moment when he explains about "good and evil" is not as simple as Finn might think. Though that two are the only good things from their adventure (we'll get back to this later).
Luke and Leia reunion is beautifully done. Great lighting, very timely moment (though things that lead into the moment is very questionable), and the hallmark score accompanying the scene is perfect. This is a great tribute to the Original Trilogy and to Carey Fisher.
One more thing: Vice Admiral Holdo last resort is quite a spectacle. The scene feels like I'm watching something from anime. The idea itself is brilliantly executed (for an action fantasy) and would make a good move if there would be another Star Wars game.
Now to the worst parts. It does feel like a jumbled mess with dumb characters' decision.
There is one scene where Leia comes back to life and fly. This is the weirdest thing to ever happen since Starkiller Base. No explanation at all (let's not pull Abrams-esque excuse "it's in the novels!" because you should not need secondary material to understand a film). Maybe it's a tribute to Carrie Fisher, or a plot point for other characters (Poe/Holdo) to shine, but even so there are better ways to do that. Maybe by not having Leia stay in bridge and affected by explosion.
And then there is Finn and Rose mischievous adventure. This might be the worst, really worst part. Messy subplot and dumb characters.
Their adventure to snatch a hacker to sneak into the Star Destroyer feels forced in the first place. Do they really have that much time to go to another planet while the Resistance fleet is being chased by First Order? The whole "we can't reach The Resistance because shields and distance" feels like a terrible excuse considering in previous materials a ship that huge would have enough firepower to destroy a shiled--and even if they didn't, they could've sent a group of bombers.
Finn and Rose adventure itself feels like they don't really know what they're supposed to do. They were tasked to snatch a hacker, but along the way they seemed to be comfortable to only take revenge to the rich arm traders and slavers that have hurt Rose in the past. Meanwhile The Resistance is in the brink of defeat. Where's the sense of urgency in their mission?
But the worst is in the climax of the film, when Rose thwarts Finn's suicidal plan in his heroic attempt to save The Resistance. The reason? Because killing people won't solve anything and love wins every time. Right--exactly after that cheesy line The Resistance defense got breached. Thanks Rose, I guess trying to imitate Oprah is the most strategical decision ever.
There seems like really no point in Finn and Rose subplot. Dumb characters and pointless quest. It only seems like a filler to meet the 2,5 hours quota. The best thing from their childish trip is Benicio del Toro's hacker character. When Finn was obsessed with the idea of "good" defeating "evil", del Toro's character explains things are not that simple in war. Just like with Luke, his brief yet impactful speech gives a nuance to the simplistic black-and-white tone Jar Jar Abrams developed in TFA.
However the writer appears to be so consistent in making almost everything in Finn & Rose quest a mess: as soon as First Order foiled their plan, it is revealed that del Toro's character is just an opportunist prick with a sweet tongue.
About the MCU jokes. Jokes in The Last Jedi is almost on par with The Phantom Menace. Even TPM feels tame.
TLJ does have very bad moments because of the MCU jokes, particularly in the very beginning of the film when Poe plays along with Hux in the middle of supposedly fricking surprise attack (do you really have that much time?), ruining the suspension of disbelief. In plenty opportunities MCU quips slip and I guess if you don't like Jar Jar in TPM, you wouldn't also like this too much jokes.
Fortunately though, aside from some scenes like with Poe-Hux, I don't think the jokes are -that- bad. It's not Avengers: Age of Ultron bad. It's irritating and pulls me away at times, but it doesn't ruin a supposedly well-developed character like Ultron.
Last: Rey and Kylo relationship. This is why I said this is a film for fangirls. The telepathy is a brilliant plot device to enable communication between two teenagers in opposing side, but do they -really- have to make them able to see each other?
The part when Kylo went nude and Rey's face turns red for seeing a naked guy--is this something from teen drama? There is also this scene when their hands touch each other and Luke barge in, sensing a forbidden love develops in our Romeo and Juliet.
The whole Rey-Kylo depiction is a true OTP bait. Well, I actually have a mixed feeling about it. This isn't exactly bad--it's okay for a teen drama and there's nothing contradicting the canon lore from this. But it does feel like some sort of Anakin-Padme 2.0.
I guess that's all.
It's not great, but it's not as bad as people made it to be. It's better than The Farce Awakens actually.
It's entertaining enough as long as you can glance over the dumb characters. It's still a mess though, so unless you really have nothing else to do it's better to watch something else.
Disney is destroying Star wars. I wish I can get my money back
Absolute trash. Makes you wish George Lucas was back trolling you with Jar Jar binks.
I saw this at a fan release that played as a double feature with The Force Awakens in a sold out IMAX theatre. I have to confess right up front that it was an overwhelming experience for my post-stroke brain and I left the six hour experience exhausted. I should also mention that the friend I attended the event with was angered by the character arch of Luke Skywalker to the point she will never see another Star Wars movie. I however enjoyed the film. I felt the acting was great. Daisy Ridley is kick ass adorable. It was bittersweet to see Carrie Fisher in her last role (the film's shooting had wrapped just months before her death in December of 2016). Mark Hamill, Adam Driver, John Boyega, Andy Serkis, Domhnall Gleason, Kelly Marie Tran and Laura Dern's performances are all worthy of mention. The story arch was compelling, the tension between dark and light, despair and hope, the journey to find yourself in your world were all great themes, and some characters were significantly challenged (hence my friend's fury). The special effects were transporting in their beauty and complexity. John William's music elevated the performances to epic proportion. I give the movie an 8.5 (great) out of 10.
For me, it was better than TFA.
Yeah, at moments it was all over the place, but in the end everything came together really well. I did think the romance thing between Finn and Rose was awkward, I mean c'mon, we don't need romance everywhere. It brought nothing to the plot.
Kylo/Ben story line was an emotional roller coaster, had me torn between wanting to protect him and punching him in the face.
The Kylo and Rey vs. Snoke's guards bit was great, I liked how they worked so well as a team. I also enjoyed the scenes where they connected and talked through the Force.
Overall, I enjoyed it, it was entertaining. However, for me, Rogue One still takes the title for the best SW movie.
I really liked it. I walked out with a smile (slightly wistful, at the much greater role Princess Leia played). This film was clearly the new type of Star Wars movie. Not your grandfather's Star Wars by half.
Amused by the initial doubters and commenters who say the hated it. This was a hard act to follow the great (if by-the-numbers) Force Awakens and the stunner Rogue One, but I was continuously impressed by the way Rian Johnson pulled this one off. There were numerous places I expected the film to end on a cliffhanger, but was relieved that the plot point was extended a little bit more each time. I also like how they quietly included small nods to Rogue One as well.
After my second viewing today I have to take back a couple of things of my first review (scroll down). I now realize that I have expected and hoped so much after waiting for two years that it distracted me from what was actually happening. I was waiting for so much I wanted to happen that it definitely took away from my first experience yesterday. Today I could enjoy it only for what it was not what I wanted it to be and I liked it a lot better.
Where do I start? I am so excited to write this review. I probably should have brought something to write things down while watching the movie. There is so much happening in this and I want to discuss it all! I'm going to try to write this review spoiler free.
I felt like crying so many times during this film, not out of sadness but out of pure happiness. I wasn't planning on mentioning this to maintain a bit of "cool", but it is worth sharing to let you know how happy I felt about this new Star Wars movie.
The opening scene, it was brilliant. A great way to start a movie! You immediately get introduced to these immense ships, this beautiful environment, a few of the known and loved characters, it was action-filled and it was funny! The Last Jedi had me there and than and didn't let go till I had to pee (it's a very long movie), and when I returned it had me again till the very end. There is a progress in every character's storyline, it was fun to see them all grow in their own way. Especially Finn. I couldn't really place him in The Force Awakens, but in this movie, he really went out there to make a difference and to help his friends and allies. Rose Tico, she is a sweet and brave character. I enjoyed the part where she and Finn went to visit a planted I didn't know yet and she saved those beautiful creatures Yea, I really like her. Which brings me to a character I first didn't really like to be honest, and that is Vice Admiral Holdo. It felt like she wasn't doing anything, at all, and that frustrated me a bit. Now that I'm writing this, I think that Rian Johnson might have given her that kind of "mystery" with a reason. I mean, in the end, we all loved her, right? At least I did. Poe Dameron, I have loved this character in The Last Jedi and felt like he didn't have enough screen time. This movie makes up for it all, I think getting to know him a little better was one of my favourite things, character wise. And then, Luke Skywalker, what a champ. I really enjoyed hearing what he had been up to and what changed him into the man he was in this movie. Seeing him and Leia together was so good as well. I loved it. Rey has become quite a grown-up, serious character as well, hasn't she? She is such a strong female lead. The connection between her and Kylo Ren was so interesting to see. I didn't expect that to be there, and I think they are very alike. Their connection was very brief and very beautiful. I really look forward to what is going to happen next with those two. Kylo Ren always feels like the guy who just can't get it right, ever. A bit like General Hux, who thinks he's brilliant while he's actually not that brilliant, which makes him quite funny, which is also quite sad. Bringin me to the last character I want to discuss and that is the Supreme Leader. First, is it bad that I had no clue who he exactly is? If it is, and you want to explain it to me, feel free to do so because I like to know. Right now, I wasn't very impressed with him, to be honest.
There are a lot of beautiful new planets and fun new creatures. Especially on the island that Luke was staying at. The nuns who take care of the small village are so funny, and the Porgs. I mean, they are the cutest things. I hear that opinions about them are all over the place, but I cannot, not like them. I'm weak. The storyline was very well written and it really went somewhere, it had a purpose. Which makes this movie so much more interesting and indulging. Every single person who worked on this did one helluva job. It's brilliant.
I wish I could have discussed a bit more scenes but I can't do that without spoiling quite a bit. I tried to discuss the characters as spoiler free as possible, which I failed to do, but I feel like these spoilers aren't major. You can read them if you want. I want to end this review by saying I probably forgot to mention a lot of things, I miss Han, I'm a bit sad that almost the entire original cast is gone, I can't wait for the next one and I think this one is better than The Force Awakens aka GO WATCH IT
(James Corden, I saw you)
Forget everything the previous movie introduced because Rian Johnson got rid of it (farewell Snoke and Rey's parents).
Adam Driver does a better job as Kylo Ren and I really hope that his relationship with Rey will not become a cliché love story. Finn is useless, Poe is irritating, the characters in general make stupid decisions and the humor makes me cringe. I regret they didn't kill Leia when they had the chance (RIP Carrie Fisher), instead they made this ridiculous and senseless flying scene. As for Luke, Mark Hamill's performance is interesting and really good but the character is so different and strange that it's hard to see him like this and I hated his treatment.
Rian Johnson takes risks and tries something new but the result is a failure.
And I hate the Porgs (money, money, money !!!)
hello I'm rey, I know since 5 Minutes that I can use the force, Training? nah why. Im already more powerful than Luke, vader and Yoda together who cares if I and my friends are bad actors. there's also a whiney bad dude isnt that cool?
damn I wish Darth maul whipped my ass.
great example for good effects dont make a good Movie
a bad movie, it is.
I almost didn't finish it - took me three sittings. But I sure wish I didn't. Plot holes, plot holes, plot holes. Do anything with the force - all with no training. Survive space? Check. Use like a phone to have conversations with people across the universe? Check.
Also - let's forget plots that were setup in TFA. Who is Snoke? How did he come into power? Nevermind - he's dumb and let's his protege use the force to kill him right in front of his face. What is the New Republic? The Resistance? The Rebels? First Order? WTF?
Anyway, it's crap.
This movie was disappointing, I had very high expectations before seeing the film and they were crushed too easily. The pace of this movie is very slow, so slow that it gets boring and rarely do you get to see anything interesting. There were some good scenes but most of them were very bad, they had a big budget and they made very little of it, there are only 2 light saber sword fights and both are very short which was very disappointing to me. There was basically no character development, most of the leaders were women which made no sense. Mark Hamill's Luke Skywalker was barely used in this movie. The movie's main villain which was so over hyped ended up being killed too easily in a one shot kill, I mean, they didn't even try to show a good lightsaber fight between Snoke and Rey which they definitely could have done because the lightsaber fights are the cheapest part of the movie to make but they could have used amazing choreography to make it look good but they didn't. I'd even go as far as saying the prequels were better made than this movie. I didn't hate the movie though as there were some scenes that did surprise me and were totally unexpected. In reality, I am a true fan of the franchise, having watched all the original ones and the prequels many times since I was a kid, I loved The Force Awakens and gave it a 10/10 because it was everything I had ever looked for in a Star Wars movie but this movie definitely wasn't anything like The Force Awakens.
Very few redeeming qualities in this movie
I'll start with the good. The flight scenes are exhilarating. This sequel trilogy (so far) has had some of the best flight scenes I've ever seen in a blockbuster. The effects are, of course, excellent. Oscar Isaac as Poe stands head and shoulders above the rest of the cast. I'm very glad that my favorite character from the Force Awakens was featured much more heavily in this movie.
Everything else is mediocre at best. Most of the acting feels very cheesy. It's the kind of work you'd expect from primetime television, not a major blockbuster. Instead of naturally coming about, the relationships feel forced and come out of nowhere. As for the plot, it contains tons of subplots that go nowhere. Most of the questions that The Force Awakens raised are given unsatisfying answers, and its major mysteries amount to nothing. Old characters are handled very poorly and don't even interact with one another. Their actions seem very out of character (namely Luke). Leia is laughable, especially in a space sequence that she's in. I have no idea why some of the terrible new characters (like Hux) were what they decided to go with for these movies, but even they were not used well.
The movie's biggest problem was its length: it's excruciatingly long. The movie drags on and on for no discernable reason. Since the movie is little more than a glorified chase sequence, the extensions add nothing to the story. Much of it could have been cut and moved over to Episode IX. Where the last movie felt like an unnecessary remake, this movie feels pointless. Since these movies made everything in the original trilogy happen for no reason, I can't shake the feeling that this trilogy will go nowhere in the end too.
It's like that person you've seen before, but they are wearing other clothes and you're not sure if they are the same or not
To be honest, there were some redeeming qualities - the opening scene, hell, the whole first 20 minutes, were really good. The new generation of actors mostly does an incredible job, except Adam Driver. But gosh, the writing is fan-fic level, and the original cast was not even trying to act. Sad path to take the franchise and the IP.
Awful movie with a bad story, clumsy characters and a very bar idea of continue the SW saga.
I did not expect much from the movie but I really hoped it would be good. I was disappointed.
Since this has become another level of boldly trashy I may not remember everything that annoyed me:
- Very obvious and flat story, feels recycled, like I have seen everything already in other Star Wars movies
(which worked for EP7, but at least EP7 had some niveau left)
- Everybody survives anything, you don't root for anyone because everyone is gonna survive anything anyways
- Bad jokes that make the movie very trashy
- Mediocre acting
- Nowadays everyone can use the force, without training
- Porgs that unnecessarily show up in about 8+ different scenes, because money
- Mediocre and mostly obvious CGI (in an AAA movie!!)
- Everytime one of those civilians/rebels/resistance says "may the force be with you" it made me cringe
EP8 is a movie for little kids, which is probably what Disney wants, because kids buy more merchandise (LEGO Dreadnought incoming...)
I don't understand why this amazing saga became such a disaster. When I see how walt disney ruines it I just want to cry. The only point is special effects. Unfortunatly the rest does not deserve of George Lucas.
"This is not going to go the way you think"
That line right there basically sums it all. When you predicted everything that's going to happen, then suddenly get the carpet pulled underneath at the last minute. You either like or dislike Rian Johnson choices, but at least it's going in a new direction and not another remake.
As Kylo Ren put it: "Let the past die"
What I love about 'The Last Jedi' is how it doesn't care what you think about 'Star Wars. While not insulting you as the audience. Taking fan theories or the mystery 'Force Awakens' stet up, and shut it down completely. Instead, what we get is a bold message about are our places and where to find hope.
Rian Johnson absolutely kills it with his direction. Perfectly framed shots and the magnificent cinematography, made the overall experience something to remember for a long, long time. Even as I'm writing this, some of the imagery has implanted into my mind. Beautiful, yet menacing with the dark side creeping in.
Performance and characters all around are great. Oscar Isaac character (Poe) has such a fantastic character arc in this movie, that even he learns from his cocky attitude or quick thinking from deadly situations.
Both Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver are the main dynamics of the film. The scenes with Rey and Kylo are the most captivating elements of the story. A balance of light and darkness shown in their characters. Is Kylo Ren emo? yeah, if you like. Compelling villain? YES. You see good in him from Rey's point of view, but also darkness from Luke's.
This is the best I've seen from Mark Hamill. You'd think he will portray an old mentor in the shadow of Alec Guinness and Yoda. However, that isn't the case. You see Skywalker has given up on the force and wants nothing from it. Becoming a shadow of himself. Heck, he barley trains Rey, and that alone doesn't matter. Seeing him on screen gave me on all happinesses in the world.
Sound design, costumes, visual effects, and the lightsaber fights are all top notch. The biggest issue I've heard from people is the casino scene which didn't bother me. The film itself didn't drag, for me. As the runtime feels justified for something like this.
Now for problems: Some CGI scenes looked a bit unfinished, which is mostly green screen backgrounds. Other than that, the effects look pretty great.
I didn't buy the "love triangle", with Finn (John Boyega) and Rose (Kelly Marie Tran). Even Finn was just as surprised as me when this was suppose to be a thing. I rather see a relationship with Poe and Finn, than Rose. Or just be friends.
While I praise the film for taking bold choices, but it never fully goes for it. A lot of fake outs deaths that afterwards made me wish it actually happened.
It's tonal inconsistency. One minute it's funny, then the next it's dead serious. The humor isn't as awful as people have said. Unfortunately, it doesn't help that characters are jammed packed and didn't need to be there.
And Captain Phasma is still the most pointless character ever.
Overall rating: Despite it's flaws, the force is strong with this one.
RIP Carrie Fisher, Our Princess
This script was horrible.....beginning good and end was good…………highly disappointed in this film
A great universe turn into a total disaster. I regret so much the fact they don't adapt the Timothy Zann story which is by far the best Star Wars story I read. This sequel has no new ideas in 2 episodes, and continue to crunch the characters we loved and the spirit of the Jedi. A shame...
I loved it I loved it I loved I loved it. It's not perfect but I still loved it. The film does pull the rug from under those people who have been theorising their own plot points for the last two years, and that may be why its garnered some hate. Put aside your expectations and you will probably love it too. Far better than the prequel trilogy too, so for those haters out there, be thankful the film isn't at such a low standard. Possibly in my top 3 Star Wars Movies - the original, the Star Wars Holiday Special, and this one. Okay, insert Empire instead of the festive blunder. The great fight scenes, deep character development, and that intriguing end makes me excited for the next one.
I was disappointed in every possible way. The only thing good about this movie was Daisy Ridley. Everything else was just disappointing.
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Very simple: "Empire Strikes Back" is at the top. And right below it is "The Last Jedi"!!! In my humble opinion; This was so satisfying, so gratifying, and just amazing!! This time around, I decided to stay away from all the spoilers and rumors (I should've done that with "Force Awakens" and "Rogue One") and went in as a fan of the franchise, but more importantly as a fan of Movies in general. I'm not a critic nor an "expert" but I can tell you that Rian Johnson did a hell of a job!!!! It was a rollercoaster of emotions!! Hopefully J.J. Abrams will pick up where Rian left off and end the Skywalker saga with a bang!!! The franchise is in good hands, Rian Johnson just gave us a taste of what his "New Trilogy" is gonna be like. But don't take my word for it, nor the negative reviews either.....GO SEE IT!!!!!!!!