OK, this was kind of a roller coaster episode. I did like it a lot up until the point where they ... well, you know ... That was where I wanted to quit. It wasn't helped by the fact what happened afterwards as I thought having Carter get his hands on Jane was bad for the plot because it seemed obvious he couldn't hold on to her. She can't tell him what she doesn't know, killing her is not an option but he can't let her go. Felt like a dead end. I was not expecting what came next.
Althought after the dust settles it's hardly a revelation as it was only confirming what we already knew. She did it to herself and all that's missing is the reason. Which probably has something to do with exposing some secret programm (and now I start to speculate) where children are abducted and turned into spies/assassins/soldiers called "Orion". How any of this contains enough water for 90 more episodes is beyond me as right now it feels another 5 episodes is all that's needed.
Now we have to deal with the fallout from ... well, you know ... and it's going to create arkward moments that I really hate in any show.
I had no idea they ever tried to revive the show. I didn't even know a pilot existed.
It's an interesting reimagining and the premise seems much more thought after. If I'm not mistaken this concept is based on what htey planed for a possible second season back in the 60s. I find the personal conflict here very interesting. While Tony, this time a female, has every reason to restore the timeline (and I wouldn't buy her last line), Doug has every reason to preserve this alternate reality. However I can easily understand why this wasn't picked up. It looks kinda cheap, the soundtrack is totally wrong, everything feels just empty.
And in the end they suffer the same issues as the original show as they place drama above logic. Bringing the boy back would not have solved the problem, they would have to take him back to his own time. Which they can't because they only can go "where the storm takes us". Leaving him in 1944 certainly doesn't help. And ultimately restoring the timeline would be a Herculian task as, if my knowledge of temporal mechanics isn't totally off, every event creates infinte possibilities. So they literally are facing trillions of possibile timelines and doing everything right to bring back theirown seems impossible.
Like I said, I understand why this didn't take off, and I probably wouldn't have watched it if it did. It was a dud.
On its own this wasn't a bad episode with the Clone Wars flashbacks, the images of Vader overlaying Anakin, and I liked little Ahsoka a lot more than her older self. It still left me very indifferent.
Not a shred of explanation on how Anakin could even be there. I never liked World between Worlds for reasons I already stated in other comments/replies. And here it just seemes to be a tool to have Ahsoka meet Anakin, have them involved in yet another lightsaber battle (I'm curious if they will have an episode without one) and count on the fact the viewer will be satisfied without asking any questions. The whole episode counts on that, it's full of these nostalgic moments with an almost angelic score to back this up. I'm a huge "Rebels" fan and am somewhat happy with how this played out aside from the Anakin part. But I wonder how viewers who don't have that connection will experience this. And why didn't Hera went with them ? I fully expected her to throw her commission at Mon Mothma's feet and go with Ahsoka. What can she possibly accomplish by staying behind ?
Let me make it clear again that I don't hate this show. I still believe that Dave is the Heir to the Empire. Maybe all my questions will be answered once we reach the end of the show. But at this moment the show is not taking me along on the journey I hoped it would be.
The most anticipated show in the SWU is finally there. Of course, every new show is the most anticipated but Ahsoka still is something special. There will be lovers and haters of that I'm sure. Right now I take the middle ground.
I like the look and the fact that it is basically the continuation of Rebels which I absolutely love. Therefore I'm thrilled to see all the characters in live action finally. The beginning with the crawl text gave me a bit of goosebumps I have to admit. I think the story has potential and I place my faith once again in Filoni to make this right. After all Ahsoka is his baby.
Of course we get a lot of character introduction in the pilot and I'm already regretting not having watched Rebels again as I'm sure I missed some easter eggs along the way.
From a neutral standpoint I'd say this was a "7" all day long. It had it's moments and it's flaws especially towards the end it became very predictable. And once more someone will survive a lightsaber stab. But because of the aforementioned connection to Rebels (you can call it fan-service if you like) I decided to go with "8".
Just let me get two things out of the way I think were weak storytelling.
First, putting the drive on the hub was the stupidest thing to do as it could only lead to her getting caught. It also was illogical as it was clear that they would just override it and/or claim it as false. Granted she didn't know about the Janitor room but she knew there was surveilance everywhere and because of that might reach the conclusion that all those feeds had to be watched somewhere. But the story needs to go on so I'll take it.
Second, its hard to believe that they didn't inspect the stuff they brought to Juliette or they would have found the note. Even not knowing what it meant they would not have let it through. Plus, from a storyelling point of view it was giving too much away. Would have been better to not show it. Instead they could insert a scene when Juliette is about to break down to explain that she didn't die. And speaking of dying, Where are all the others that went out? Does someone actually go out to collect the bodies ?
Now, for the big reveal at the end I have to say I didn't see that coming. After making us believe (and I did) that it is safe outside, not only do we learn it is not, but there are literally dozens of silos out there. Does that mean the whole of mankind lives underground ? My guess is that each one thinks they are the only one and each one does have someone taking care that it stays like that. But we still don't have an idea about why ?
There is one thing I noticed that I want to point out. When Juliette told Holland about the door below he seem genuinely surprised. As if he didn't knew. That was the moment he ended the conversation. Just saying.
So, I don't know the books but from reading elsewhere I understand we barely scratched the surface of the story. I wonder how slow they will go with this one. The second season is already confirmed but thre is always the chance of not getting a third, or forth, or however many they need to play this out.
I sure hope we're not getting left hanging in the air atsome point.
Funny how now the Empire Remnant has a secret underground resistance against the New Republic. How the tables have turned.
This episode was way better in terms of storytelling but it left me very frustrated. I know that the Mandalorians are not likely to win if they want to keep the mythology. But just for once I'd like to see them come out on top. Gideon has become a bit ridicolous. He's the archetype of a bad guy. He was more interesting when he wasn't flying around as a Vader look-alike. I hate to see Vizla die but I should've seen that one coming because I really grew to like him. Grogu inside IG ? Come-on, he's a Force user. Despite the fact he choose not to train with Luke he still has the ability, no ? And we still must have a monster, doesn't we ?
Now, those are personal and, yes, biased points on my behalf. Like I said it was a great episode as such. In the end I see it as a win for the author if he invokes those reactions from me. There were also moments that gave me serious goosebumps. Like when Bo told them what happened between her and Gideon and subsequent how Din told her why he's following her. The talk about Thrawn didn't surprise me. I expected that pretty much from episode one forward.
Only one episode left and I hope there'll be some silver lining.
There is a very heavy message at the bottom of that episode. Saying that it is futile trying to maintain peace it's therefore natural to start a war. That's serious stuff and it ways heavy even, or especially, in today's time. The other side of the coin is because it seems natural to have war we should do everything to prevent it. It's easy being bad but it takes an effort to do good.
But instead of discovering those philosophies the show once more reverts to action like undersea battles and fist fights. The whole look and setup of the base looked bad. More like a cheap Mad Max rip off.
What happened on the bridge between Henderson and Brody would have actually made sense if she stuck with it instead of doing a 180. At that moment it becomes cheap drama. Brody should have been the reluctant one to fire in that situation. There is also the cliched saved-by-the-baddy-turn-good. Best thing in the end was Dagwoods arc where we once more see that he could be a much more interesting and deeper character.
On the casting side I find it very interesting they choose Bernie Casey for that role of the rogue Admiral. He also played Calvin Hudson on ST DS9. A Starfleet officer who almost started a war with the Cardassians and a high ranking member of the Maquis. That's a heck of a coincidence if it is one.
I'm torn about what to make of this episode.
It started really well, almost feeling like a Star Trek episode. They discover an unknown phenomenon in sp.... under water and are recieving a distress call. They go through and send an (away) team to investigate, where they find a deserted (but exceptional clean) city with a super computer in it and discover they went into the future. Mankind seems to be extinct. There was some form of plague (watching this post-COVID gives this another meaning).
Up to this point I was as hooked to the story. And then two giant killer mechs appeared and things start falling apart. From that moment on the episode balanced on keeping it serious.
I liked the angle where people became to dependened on the computer and stoped progressing. When they talked about that people had to stay inside and everything was done through the computer that was really hitting home. And kids rather playing games then going outside - I've been such a kid in the past. But nothing really made sense.
The past not existing because of time ending in the future ? How does time end with no people ? Even if those two died the universe would still go on. And you can't re-populate the planet with two people. It's just not possible. But they seem to want to make a point with the Adam & Eve version. Which is yet another religous reference I detect in this season.
This is the most I've ever written about any episode of this show so far. To be honest I still don't know what to make of it.
This wasn't quite the beginning I waited for a whole year. It had way to much action for action's sake. Oh, and way too short for a season premiere.
Started good though. I thought at first this would be some kind of flashback to when Din got his helmet. The monster fight did absolutely nothing other then sugar coat CGI. But we find out what will be the quest for this season: Redemption.
The Navarro part was OKish. I had kind of feared one of the pirates would turn out to be Hondo. Like I expected they explain Cara away with one sentence. Shame that she's no longer there as she really was a great character with potential. Great idea bringin back IG88. We'll see how this plays out.
The space battle was again just showcasing CGI, which does look great, but really did nothing then add action. I kind of fear those pirates will be along for the ride this year.
Din's meeting with Bo Katan was interesting and I hope we see a lot of her this year.
The ONE thing that had my blood pumping were the creatures that Grogu saw in Hyperspace. Those were purgill, no ? Now that's an interesting thing to show us.
Still, the pieces are in place and I'm exited for the story to unfold.
That was the first episode that left me a bit disappointed because it felt like a step sideways. And no real twists or surprises. Everything just happens.
Maarva's death was to be expected, there has to be a reason for Andor to get back. The escape from Narkina 5 was too convinient, as they just stumble over those aliens and nothing about the other escapees. Yes, they asked the question at the end but it seemed rather to find a reason to seperate the two then really answer the question. Mon Mothma has to agree to Davo's terms to save herself. I wrote last week the scene between them felt like a deleted scene and now more so. They could have just added a line or two of dialogue to explain what happened there. Finally, Luthen's escape from the Empire works mostly because we are back to stupid minion officers who are probably glad they can put on an uniform in the morning. Oh, and Kyril wants to still get his hand on Andor as he blames him for his dilemma. I really thought the character would go deeper.
Sorry for the rambling but I am used to better writing from this show by now. Let's hope that the finale next week can shift up at least two gears.
This show is taking Star Wars more and more away from the fairy tale and to places that are uncomfortable. And I love it !
I was suspecting their is a mole inside the ISB but I did not see that angle. Luthen is willing to send fifty people to their death to let the ISB think they are still ahead. That's what Rebellion really means. Sacrifice. Everyone has to sacrifice for something they might never see. That's what fighting means. Awesome scene that also drops a rather interesting piece of information. Luthen said HE started this fifteen years ago. That would take it to about Episode III or just before. So, who is he ?! What's his connection ? Is there more to it or is it just useless dialogue ?
The prison escape was great, too. Not over the top and well filmed. I hope this wasn't the last we've seen of Kino as he really grew on me the last couple of episodes. I wonder how they will escape from the planet, thought.
The Mon Motha part seems kind of filler. I suspect she'll be forced to turn back to Davo for moving money. Even if she didn't like his terms. Which is why right now the scene feels like a dropped in deleted scene.
But hey, I'm always cursing when the credits roll in because I want to know how it's going to continue. And that's a good thing, right ?
Well, the fuse is lit and I expect there will be an explosion of sorts next week.
The tension and build up is again what keeps the ball rolling. You are given just enough to be on the edge yet don't get bored. The acting was really great. You could see the doubt rising in Kino about what will happen once you reach the end of your sentence. We saw a very dark side of Dedra interrogating Bix. And Syril is about to break (with that mother, who could blame him ?). He will be a major player in the story I think. And the result could be devastating.
We discover that Val is Mon's cousin. Not a huge surprise but I still found it interesting how the connections are revealed. I found the scene in the Senat Chamber with Mon especially depressing as it shows again a connection to our time. I'm not used seeing that from Star Wars but they are doing it right and I like that. And althought it was different in a way, it reminded me of Padmé speaking in that same Chambers:
"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."
which I think is one of the best quotes out of Star Wars. And the scene now seems to be picking up on that liberty is now really dead.
I wonder when they will discover that they already have Andor in custody. Probably after the break. But it makes sense that in a system like the Empire such details get lost in the amount of information at hand. Althought I found the reference "he was shaven and had money and the rebels on Adhani were shaven, too" a bit ridiculous.
Without lots of action, without much of the popular Star Wars lore like the Force, Jedi, Lightsabers, this show delivers with every new episode.
It was very interesting to see that Mon Mothma was reluctant to delve fully into engaging the Empire in open Rebellion. We've never seen that side. I also like that they adressed that people are and will be dying like Luthen told her. It's not much of romantisizing. It's war. And the Empire responds the only way it knows how. By asserting even more power. By being predictable, thus playing into the Rebels hands.
"The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."
Which at least some inside the Empire seem to understand while others still think of their position.
We also see the glimmer of hope from the people that things are about to change for the better when they hear off the attack on Aldhani. And althought Star Wars is not known for portraying contemporary problems within the story telling, I wonder if the similarities are just random.
I really interested how characters like Syril and Dedra will develop moving forward. Could they actually (well maybe one of them) end up with the Rebels ?
Oh, and the world building in this show is also great: Bureau of Standards. It's the Empire put in a single building and again something that reminds me of our present.
Politics, relationships, sex, jealousy, religion - I know I liked this show when I watched it ten years ago. But right now I'm bored out of my fragging mind.
And nothing makes sense here.
The mysterious cradle of mankind is just about two months of travel away. While that might have been a massive distance way back when, with FTL by now its pretty much around the corner and someone should have already gotten there by shear accident.
The fleet made what, about 250 light-jumps estimated? And that's very conservative given they made about 240 jumps in the first episode alone. And now Starbuck can jump right back to Caprica in a Cylon Raider. Didn't they say something a while back those things can not operate alone to far away from baseships?
And, talking about Starbuck - she's being told that Adama never knew about Earth, but also he did it to give them hope. It's inconcevible for me she acts like she did. She loves him like a father and has massive respect for him. She would understand why he did it.
I probably should stop my re-watch right here and preserve my memory of this being one hell of a show.
This feels much more like mid season episode. That's not saying it was a bad one. Quite the opposite. I had a lot of good laughs and a lot of smiles.
One small point of critique: the whole Lysella story was too predictable. I love the dialogue between her and Kelly. It's obvious where that's aimed at. But why not show her the simulation earlier ? Could've made her understand and accept without all the back and forth.
As for the Clair/Issac relationship - who would've thought it would end in marriage when that started way back. But it works, it makes sense and it doesn't feel forced.
Final thoughts on the season:
"Future Unknown" refers as much to the episode as to the show itself. There still is no news about a renewal. It would be a loss to not have another season. I'm sure they could come up with interesting stories. Ed's daughter, his relationship to Kelly, how Claire and Isaac work out, Lysella - there is tons of potential. But they also made sure we get closure if it ends here. I would miss the characters as they have grown on me. I want to see them again and learn more about them. Experience some more adventures with them. That's a feeling no show has given me for quite some time.
Please come back.
It is not a bad episode per se but, in hindsight, it is totally out of place. This episode was produced at the beginning of season five but then added at the end of season four and it makes zero sense. The didn't knew if they get a fifth season so they decided to end all threads. Fine by me. Why go back and add this episode to season four instead of season five ?
You can see the story presented here as proof that it doesn't matter what we do because the end will inevitably come or, that no matter what, we will always stand up a rebuild. Works both ways for me and it probably depends on wether you're an optimist or a pessimist. And the human that looks like a Vorlon could be interpreted as history repeating itself. Maybe the Vorlons came from the future and that's why Kosh knew everthing. Maybe it even was Kosh. Sinclair went to the past, too and pretty much, through his knowledge of events to unfold, made sure everything plays out like its supposed to be. Nice paradox, though.
I especially like when Delenn showed up and what she said about those "experts"
You do not wish to know .. anything. You wish only to speak. That which you know, you ignore, because it is inconvenient. That which you do not know, you invent.
That's the kind of lines I so loved on this show.
If that wasn't the finale then I wonder how on earth they are going to top this or what the story even could be next week.
The alliance between the Moclans and Krill makes sense but I really did laugh a bit when they tried their "women are inferior" act after being thrown out of the union for pretty much that reason. Guess some never learn.
The SFX in this episode was crazy but there is more then enough story parts to make this more then just a display of budget. They tackle the question of morality in using a WMD to commit genocide to your sworn enemy. Naturally there are two sides to the coin. And both are heard.
I guess we do know now why the introduced the character of Charlie as they needed a way to make the Kaylon see the error of their ways without sacrificing one of the main cast. And while that sacrifice makes logical sense inside the story, the emotional impact is, sadly, small. She was displayed too much unlikeable for me to attach to her. They tried to rectify that in this episode by having her sing with Gordon (which was admittingly a blast) but it was too little, too late. And even in this episode she was still generally opposed to Kaylons and harboured doubts the deserve to live, until her final actions. I'm sure it was meant to be her redemption but, like I said, it didn't touch me.
The whole attack on the Moclan installation had a massive Star Wars vibe for me (Death Star anyone ?). It was well done in terms of editing and flow together with the other parts of the story. That's high level film making. Btw. am I the only one who thinks Adrienne Palicki looks much too comfortable with a gun in her hand ;-)
Then there is the matter of Teleya. She actually got too little time in this episode if you'd ask me. I think that's what we will see next week - her triall and maybe a conclusion to what happens to her daughter.
Remember, a forth season is still not confirmed so some things need to be resolved. Even if we get another season it will probably be again a long wait.
I know it's not about the qaulity of a show when it comes to renewal. But I really hope to hear soon that next week won't be the last time we fly with "The Orville".
It's a very good episode but I wish it would have come at a later time. Maybe even next season. But with a fourth season still not confirmed and all but given I think they wanted to set some things straight.
At almost one and a half hours this is practically a double episode and I must say that this was the first time I thought it was a bit too long. The first half was OK. I was really dissapointed by Haveena's decisions. Her motives might've been honorable but I was totally with Ed when he told her what he thought about it. What follows was a predictable way the story unfolded. I'm not sure where they wanted to go with the hinted possible romance between Kelly and Bortus. Especially since they already threw a wrench in it at the end.
Everything really picks up at around the time when Gordon speaks up and calls out the Moclans for what they are. What follows are some powerfull scenes f.e. when Bortus adresses the Council as a father who's child has been abducted and tortured. Those were some hard to swallow scenes seeing Topa being tortured (kudos to Imani Pullum) and MacFarlane once again shows he's not shy to go there if it helps the plot. And I fully expected Bortus to turn around once again and kill the torturer but he didn't want his child to see him kill another.
We finally get the only logical conclusion that the Moclans are thrown out of the Union because everything else at this point would be a cheat. Going back to Gordon, I too am sick and tired of people doing bad things from a position of power and always getting away with it. (Take that sentence for what it is - I will not say anything more).
There is the surprise return of Clyden (I expected him back at some point but not so soon) but I think his change of heart is genuine and believable. Almost loosing your child can change your perspective. And he also makes peace with Kelly. Like I said - all this might've worked even better at some point in the future but who knows if there is one for the show. Now, with Clyden back that hinted thing between Bortus and Clyden makes even less sense.
And why haven't we learned about the "Traitor" on Moclus ? Is that supposed to be falling into background noise or will that be re-visited.
Couple of other notes:
Dolly Parton- it's amazing Seth pulled that of. In hindsight it seems like a given but I never would've thought she'd do it.
LaMarr's "Yeah, Sherlock" had me spill my drink. That was so delivered on point.
It's the character moments at the end that had me somewhere between smiling and, yes, tearing up. Any episode that achieves that is never a bad one in my book.
So, let me start with some critique: the whole Janisi story line was really bad. And, NO, not because it put women at the center. I don't mind that. But trying to build trust by lying or misleading. When did that ever work out ? The solution wasn't very good either. But Bortus had some cool one-liners.
What I liked was to see into the history of the Kaylon. Now, of course we already knew about all of this but finally seeing it was great. It might be a common theme in scifi, the cration overthrowing its master, but when you see the treatment of K1 you actually find more than a shred of understanding. I was surprised though they showed the killing of the children. Most shows wouldn't go there. Of course the Kaylon then made the false assumption that all biological lifeforms are like that - just like Charlie assumed all Kaylons are evil. But she finally beginns to understand that she's on the wrong side here. And not too soon I might add.
We also delve again into the relationship between Claire and Isaac, two of my favorite characters (to be honest, aside from Charlie there isn't one I didn't like). When the possibillity appeared that Isaac's emotion are there to stay I wasn't sure where I stood. At the moment it felt to easy that he could get them just like that. It felt convenient to introduce another Kaylon with emotions and that we just copy/paste it onto Isaac. But the scene between him and Claire was amazing. Marc is such a terrific actor and it's almost a shame he has to hide his face behind the helmet most of the time. How he switched from an emotinal state to full Kaylon in an instant was great. Now, for the sake of the character I'm glad he can't keep the emotions. It also gave us another great moment when he offered, for all intense and purposes, his life. Because that's what erasing all his memories stands for. He would not be Isaac any longer. That's the definition of love. And for the same reasons Claire rejects his offer. That's the type of stories I love to see. Those moments between characters.
The "stuff" between John and Talla was also cool and funny. Althought I thought the final scene between them was a tad to much.
Overall some weak spots and maybe a bit too much thrown into one episode. But even with those small points of critique it was another great episode.
When I read the title of this episode I'd hoped they revisit that story because that was one of my favorites.
I wasn't very high on time travel stories in the recent past (yes, I mean that show) and The Orville already did it's fair share of them,too. But this works for me as it is more about the morales involved anyway and not as time travel as a means to an end. It's a relatable subject (in the context of scifi of course) what happened to Gordon. He had no intention of changing the timeline, he just wanted a life after three years of waiting. And who of us wouldn't have done the same ? The weight of the decision to bring him back was immense and I like they picked up on that within this epsisode.
There were some weak parts, too. And by that I mean the whole b-plot with Charly and Isaac. Now, I love Isaac and it was a blast to see Marc Henry out of costume again. But after Charlie's explanation towards him her stock has hit rock bottom. She's blaming Issac for her own mistake. It's not his fault that she was afraid to tell her friend about her feelings. She probably wouldn't have done it anyway I'd say. Some may see that different but that's my take.
You can take something out of that at least: that you should never wait for tomorrow because it might never come.
Oh, and LaMar and Keyali - that was hinted a while back and I think it works.
Wish I could say the show ended on a high note. But it didn't.
Shatner's portrayal of what he thinks a woman, even a mentally ill one, behaves is shameful. We had male characters that were mentally ill and they still behaved in a somewhat dignified manner. But a woman becomes hysterical. Now this show, despite being progressive when it comes to the portrayal of women, sure still had its issues concerning just that. If they weren't Starfleet they were mostly light clad, there for romantic involvement by one of the cast. More often than not in the form of James Kirk. There were still remnants of sexism and patronizing and I don't know if the studio was to blame or the writers and producers.
And the story in general was also weak. It should have been easy to prove who is who as Lester doesn't posess Kirk's memories. Which is only slightly indicated by Spock and than dismised by saying those infos were public record. So how about one that isn't ? And at the end, when all hope is dwindling away, the change just happens to reverse itself.
And the last words we hear from this show are: "she could have had a life as rich as every other woman....if only she'd....."
What ?
Because in a way Dr Lester was right. We never saw a female Captain in this show. Officers, yes - scientists, of course. But no Captain or even an Admiral. Now that was to lay at the feet of studio execs, I know that.
After all it still was the 60's
This could have been a great episode. Flint is one of the most interesting characters Star Trek has created and the mystery surrounding him should have been the story. Than there is the part about an AI evolving feelings. Again in itself not a bad starting point for any sci fi show. I even would have gone for the concept as love as a trigger for that. But here comes the "could have" part into play.
It is too much to ask from me as the viewer to accept Kirk to madly fall in love with her within hours. Oh, I don't dispute those things can happen. I know they do. But with Kirk ? The guy has a different woman in every third episode.
And if you want to talk about something, why not talk about it why it matters if she's human or an android. If he fell in love with her the way she was, what does it matter ? There is a topic worth discovering. Suddenly he can't love her because of her status. Until he accepts her as being human again. Kirk then yelling at Spock to "stay out of it, we fight for a woman" is one of the low points of the show.
But the most blatant display of convenient writing came at the end when Spock erases the memory of Rayna from a sleeping Kirk and tells him to "forget".
That's the straw that broke the camel's back.
A civilization, which planet is bursting at the seams from overpopulation, has abducted Kirk to harvest a rare disease from him. So that they can introduce it to their own population in order to solve their population problem.
OK, that's a good start. But really nothing else makes sense. Where did they get the plans for the Enterprise from ? And for that matter, why even build it in the first place ? They could beam Kirk down to the council chamber, take him prisoner and lock him up. They seem contempt to hold him there for the rest of his life - even if that wouldn't have been nessessary as we learn later. And in another variation of "Kirk and the Women" it's all centered around a beautiful young girl longing for Kirk to fall in love with her. Why ? She thought she was going to die anyway.
The fact that she was willing to sacrifice herself, or the father his daughter, shows their desperation. That's one of the strong points. And the diplomatic dialogue between Spock and Hodin was, unwillingy (?) funny.
But at the end the romance seems to be more important then finding another solution to Gideon's problem.
Best episode ever because lightsaber fight !
Seriously ?! It was in parts better but it couldn't save the show as a whole.
OK, I admit I was wrong and there was another match between them. And it was better then the first. But no stupid writing ? Why did Vader just leave Obi-Wan under the rocks ? He couldn't feel he was still alive ? Well, he couldn't feel him sneaking up behind him, couldn't he ? But he knew he was on the little ship. And if that is how it went down why didn't Obi-Wan just kill Vader right there? Could have saved the galaxy lots of trouble. He clearly had accepted that Anakin was gone, he even called him "Darth" (which by the way is wrong because that's a title, the name would be Vader). And they now established that the Empire, and Vader, knew all the time that Kenobi was alive and where he was.
Luke having no memory of being chased in the night by a lady with a crimson lightsaber ? OK, maybe it's one of those selected memory losses.
Reva standing on the surface of Tattoine after taking a lightsaber in her guts just mere hours before ? How is that not convinient writing ? And wanna bet we see her again? Maybe in a spin-off?
Qui-Gon appearing at the end was nice but ultimately useless. This final episode was just ticking up boxes to preserve canon but it also creates logical errors by doing so. And there was never any danger towards the characters.
Hindsight is always 20/20 but after watching what I had high hopes for, I can only say it would have been better it didn't happen.
I'm sorry. But without even a hint of an explanation on why a civilization way across the universe has developed similar (and in some ways exactly) like on earth this is just a fairy tale. It's the most blatant attempt to hammer home a message that would be worthy of modern Star Trek. Spin it like you want but there is no logic whatsoever in this story.
It can't be a forgotten human colony. The war was at least a millenia ago based on the fact that the father of one of the Kohms is that old. That's already the middle ages on Earth. And this civilization had to be there centuries if not more millenia before to even develop the means to fight a war on that level. Even if those people on the planet had been brought there by Aliens that must have been way before Christ. Heck, if the prolonged lifespan is evolutionary and they reach ages of over a thousand years now, even three or four generations (which I doubt are enough) would put this at up to 5000 years. And what are the odds they come up with a Constitution that is exactly word for word like the one on Earth? And developing the same faktions having the same flag and so on.....
But they don't even try to come up with any explanation and that is quite honestly worst then having a silly one. And that's not taking into account that we've yet again encounter a Starfleet Captain going nuts about something and trying to influence a culture.
There are only four TOS Episodes on imdb rated lower than this one. But Gene appenrently loved this script. It was one of three considered for the second pilot. NBC thought it was weak and wanted to shelve it. Roddenberry got it through for season 2 and then later submitted it personally for Emmy consideration.
(all info according to imdb)
Yeah, a little bit on the nose. I know they got away with a lot of things because they where using sci fi as a means to "talk" about certain issues. But in this episode they explicitly talk about South Asia and I'm surprised that got through. As it was a total no no to have that on a TV show back then.
The character of Nona was not very good. It would've helped to give her a less sexy outfit. And all the time when she was attacked by the villagers and holds the phaser - why not just use it ? She'd seen how it worked, how to operate it. But she had to die for the sake of the story so that war can break out. Which is also a bit thin that her death then brings a sworn pacifist like Tyree over the edge.
Would have liked to see more of the Klingons, some interaction with Kirk. Althought we had that before already in other episodes. And what was the reason for the Klingon intervention, anyway ? What was their endgame ?
The Mugato is cool, even thought it's just another guy in a suit. But I like the look.
Not going to lie, this was better than the previous episode. I still just want to make it through the end. And for a show I had high hopes for, that's a statement of disappointment.
The flashback with Obi-Wan and Anakin was really good but should have been in the movie in the first place. It would have explained more back than as it did today. Seeing Vader stomp through the hallways and holding of the transport was another great sequenz. Overall it's still nowhere near what could have been. Because of the writing...
When the Stormtroopers land and take position in front of the door, that's about as un-military as you can get. Line up for an enemy to maw you down. Is this overconfidence or stupidity ? If Reva could have just slice open the door with her Lightsaber than why not do so in the first place ? And when the door does open, Stormtroopers are dropping like flies and I counted three (!!!) "rebels" being killed, including Tala. And Reva stands just behind in the background. The revelation of her story was anything but a surprise, but it's another reminder that this show has the wrong title. And how many other force sensitive people did she kill or helped being killed to get back at Vader ? To avenge what he has done as Anakin ? Killing what was in your words your family for revenge ? Yeah, that totally makes her one of the good guys instantly. (Attention sarcasm)
But here is one thing I really have a beef with and it hasn't even directly to do with the story or show itself:
Why is Qui-Gon dead ?
He got punched in the gut by Maul's saber once. So did the Grand Inquisitor, and so did Reva. Apperently twice !!! And both are alive.
Right now, even another fight between Vader and Kenobi, which would at this point nake no sense, can't save this show.
I, too, am a bit uncomfortable with this story. They literally force Federation views and values upon a culture that knows nothing about them. Kirk and McCoy claim this is done for the good of the people and only Spock is a voice of reason. Now, this is of course very similar to what western civilization has been doing for a long time to what they think of as "lesser" cultures. But this episode doesn't take a stand against that but rather promotes it. There is the point made that the influence of the landing party turned the peaceful inhabitants, that didn't know the concept of killing, into murderers. But it is again shrugged off, even laughed off, by Kirk and McCoy.
Furthermore, what exactly is/was Val? Where did he/it come from? Was he evil in forcing the inhabitants to serve him or benevolent by caring for them? Is this another case of a civilization building a machine to help them that then turned against them ?
Plot holes over plot holes.
What I found interesting was that Kirk told Scotty to seperate the main section of the ship. I missed that detail before. I also missed David Soul (of Starsky & Hutch fame) being in this episode.
One of the best episodes of the series.
Also, this episodes introduce the Klingons and, althought their appearance will chance through the years, they are here to stay. But Colicos already shows many traits of the Klingons in his brilliant portrayal of Kor.
Of course this episode is very political. It's an allusion to Vietnam where the Federation acts as the US - with Kirk arrogantly proclaming how they can help them and bringing them progress and values - and the Klingons playing the role of the Communists. Who, according to Kirk, are evil war mongerers who only conquer and suppress. Crushing free will and liberty. Of course they both don't really care about the Organians. They want the planet because it has startegic importance in getting an advantage over your opponent. It's a battle of systems threatening to turn into an all out war where everyone thinks he has a right to battle.
But the Organians are having none of it. They resist by not resisting and it turns out they are far more superior than either the Federation or the Klingons could imagine. They're are telling both sides there is no right to wage war and prevent both sides from battleing each other. I'd enjoy how they put both, but especially Kirk, at their place. Would be nice to have some Organians for real.
This all lead then to the Treaty of Organia and the end of the war. So, not only an important message but also an important episode in Star Trek mythology.
The Orville is back! And it looks amazing. Although we maybe spend a little too much time looking at space docks and starships. But they compensated with additional runtime so I take it.
The story is again what this is about. It was great that they picked up on the fact that Isaac was re-instated and what that meant for the crew onboard. Althought I think they are all wrong about him. Yes, it's human to hate and they need a scapegoat. But Isaac did only follow his programming, he did what he was supposed to do just like your PC does what you tell him. But he then overcame his programming, choosing (!) to help defeat the Kaylons. He became more then his program.
The whole story is an analogy about online mobbing and how it can drive people to commit suicide. Claire's words toward Isaac at the end make that clear. It's great to see we still follow that formula and wrap the stories around real problems.
But despite the fact that Burke helped at the end, I still don't like her. That's probably what they wanted to achieve with the character. It would have been easy to make her come around and a part of me is glad the didn't take that road. But for her to get on my good side there will be a lot of redeeming involved.