This episode shows why The Orville is such a wonderful show and my favorite of this season. The show is reflective of real-world issues while being entertaining at the same time. This episode was a tad preachy, but it still entertains and is thought-provoking.
What a great episode ... again! And of course I had to upvote ;-)
[5.7/10] This one is pretty dumb. I could frankly stop there. But the “What if reddit, except everything?” premise is stupid enough to warrant further explication, so here we go.
Let’s start with this. Somewhere in “Majority Rule”, there is the germ of a good point about social shaming with inadequate empathy and rushes to judgment. Unfortunately, that’s not really what we get here. Instead, we get a ridiculously caricatured version of online social interactions and a superficial media satire whose only real message is “mobs bad,” missing basically all of the nuance in the topics it addresses.
There’s legitimate issues to explore on this topic in the vein of So You’ve Been Publicly Shamed and the fact that people can be pilloried in the court of public opinion without, necessarily, much fairness in the evaluation, let alone a path to penitence and redemption. But The Orville hasn’t proven itself capable of tackling those issues, and certainly fails to do so well here.
Frankly, this episode comes off alternatingly whiny and self-satisfied. Oh no! Celebrities who are culturally insensitive or do stupid things publicly have to make public apologies for it! What a crime! Talk show hosts are more likely to throw fuel on the fire than be fair arbiters of right and wrong! What an insightful observation! The whole routine with LaMarr’s statue-grinding evaluation by the public just so superficial and caricatured, that even if it was more on point, it wouldn’t have much force.
Beyond that, it’s just a dumb realization of the idea. Look, maybe badges where people’s social standing and mental well-being gets determined by personal upvotes and downvotes could pass as a premise in the 1960s Star Trek series, but it just feels silly and implausible here.
If you want to make an allegory for modern behavior work, you need to construct a fictional equivalent that makes sense, or at the very least passes the smell test. That was one of the great things in “About a Girl” -- it raises a lot of issues through a set of cultural practices that were different from our own, but which were plausible in an alternate society. But even at its most extreme, the concept of an entire society ruled by reddit upvotes where social opinion dictates everything just sounds like such an absurd slippery slope presentation that the episode doesn’t even work on a pure story level.
There’s some mild tension in the threat that LaMarr will be lobotomized if his apology tour doesn’t go well. There’s also some good nuts and bolts Trek here in having to infiltrate a pre-warp society to investigate other researchers who’ve run afoul of their different rules and disappeared. The same goes for bringing one of the locals on board to convince them that there’s another way. But it’s all done in service of a thought experiment from a fourteen-year-old.
The worst part is the conference room conversation Mercer and the others have with that local resident of the insane upvote-driven planet. There’s such a ham-handed and smug moral expressed about the tyranny of the majority and mixing up fact and opinion. It plays like nothing more than knocking down strawmen and feeling like you just toppled a giant. And that’s before you get to more of the show’s tepid 21st century observational humor.
Usually on The Orville, the basic premise works but things are dragged down by comedy or relationship drama. But this is the first one where it’s the execution of the core idea that’s bad, especially given the misaimed (or at least oversimplified) point of the episode. There’s a good conversation to be had about call out culture and the way things are parsed out online, but “Majority Rule” is incapable of making an intelligent contribution to that discussion.
Ah, the classic "let's go back in time to the show viewers' actual time (i.e., our present time) and make fun of their weird routines". TNG did it, Voyager did it, but this one had a particular twist, because they didn't actually visit 21st century Earth, but another planet in an equivalent time, instead (just how silly looking were those asymmetric TV screens and mobile devices, huh?).
Again, we see The Orville juggling ethical and moral issues with metaphors for today's society as if the show was just another entry in the Star Trek series. Really, you can't get any more Star Trek-y than this.
Too bad the special guest stars have stopped appearing, that was something fun to look for in every episode. I guess Charlize Theron broke their celebrity piggy bank.
If there's one thing that I hate - and I do mean hate - is when some character does something so unbelievably forced that the only purpose can be to be the focus through which the story/episode progresses: John dancing randomly on the statue whilst everyone tells him 3 times to cut it... it was just cheap writing.
I appreciated the idea behind the episode but between that above scene and the habit they seem to have to overplay in an almost aggressive manner whenever they're talking about the possible excesses of social media... I couldn't get over it. Do you really need to have 300 phones out and quick cuts to show how frenetic and messy that world is? Maybe it was understandable the first time a show/movie depicted it, but now it's just one of those tiring tropes. Come up with something more original, or avoid it even if the topic is that one.
The apology, the drinking the whole glass of wine when shocked... blah
Only good part was the chit-chat at the table analyzing the risks of direct democracy
Wait, wait, did they actually get through an entire episode without making any reference to Mercer's divorce?!
Cloaking tech? Guess there's no Treaty of Algeron analogue in the Orville universe. Would be nice if they used it consistently, though. Current Earth technology (roughly what this alien planet has) could definitely detect an uncloaked shuttle pod leaving the atmosphere. Exercise a little caution, will you, Alara?
There's something very Jeri Ryan–esque about Palicki during the landing party's first jaunt down the sidewalk.
I have to admit, I like it, whether it was an intentional homage or not.
Awkward, obvious lip sync error when Dr. Finn says "New problem," check. I didn't think that sort of thing would happen in such a high profile show.
I guess not having seen season three of Black Mirror saved me from this story feeling like a rehash of something I'd seen before. Whenever I do watch it, I'm sure it will be a nice big step beyond this. For my part, I thought The Orville did it well. (John's behavior aside—he really didn't put in any effort to appear worthy of upvotes at all. But that's probably MacFarlane's "humor" creeping in.)
Ignoring the preachy plot for a moment, the tech on display is pretty neat, even if it's a little simplistic. For one thing, the voting badges and handheld feed readers imply a mesh data network of some kind (or cellular, perhaps) that, if anything, points to what our near future might look like. (We're not quite there with cellular coverage, are we?)
Update 2018-03-17: China would like to have a word with these aliens about their tech, I think. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10S
Ship is full of humans that look exactly like the folk on the planet but they brought someone along who obviously is an alien.
Greetings from facebook. Good episode which hopefully open some eyes
This one dug itself too deep of a hole by having John do something so extraordinarily stupid that there's simply no way to write it off with a "He's impulsive" spin. It was just too much. Beyond that, the overall concept of upvoting and downvoting individuals was done better in a recent BLACK MIRROR episode, although the addition of using up and down votes as a legal system was an interesting take on things.
A poke at the over sensitive people of society today. Still, a fun episode.
See, Star trek? They could have made the two guys to be gay. They did not.
This ep is just a Reddit planet xD
“A voice has to be earned”
Another depressingly topical story from Seth about the toxicity of cancel culture and mob mentality, just like in Family Guy but not as blunt or condensed.
On paper, it’s a pretty neat framing idea: a planet essentially populated by Twitter sheeple that runs on a “legal system” where everyone’s fate is decided by public upvotes & downvotes, and the offenders have to go on apology tours to literally save their own lives.
This was a 10 for topical-ness, but man this was uncomfortable. If an episode hurts to watch in a good way, I say bravo.
Although if I may play a tiny bit of devil’s advocate, this alien government living by actual popular vote sounds like a utopia for deciding which actual corrupt politicians lives or dies, you know kinda like how we used to overthrow corrupt kings & queens.
Probably a "completely accidental" caricatured depiction of a system in which the people and not the so-called elites decide what is good for them. According to the screenwriters, the principle of universal voting applies only to a select group of people (in this case, members of the Orville crew). Meanwhile, in a real system functioning this way, a person who verbally assaulted and invaded another person's personal zone for "cultural appropriation" of hat would himself end up with a lot of red paws, and the victim would get green ones.
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That's why social media can be a threat. And to be honest, I really can see something like this happening. It is indeed happening right now in several parts of life. But it is confusing justice with opinion. We are already at a stage where the later seems to matter more.
It also shows how you can easily steer public opinion. Again something we already see in our time. Lysella stands for all the people who don't even listen to arguments and just run with the majority. Of course there is the glimmer of hope at the end when she decides just to turn it off.
That's the second great episode in just seven episodes total.
Seth MacFarlane: Democracy is bad actually lol
Before, people believed that the earth was flat, because many people believed that the earth did not flatten nor a meter
The Orville does Black Mirror, and it's rather good!
Star Trek IV meets Black Mirror
Shout by JuraTFOBlockedParent2017-10-27T21:56:30Z
First of all I’m a really GREAT fan of The Orville :) But start of this episode looked strangely familiar, then i remember it. Black mirror, season 3 episode 1 - Nosedive :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5497778/?ref_=ttep_ep1
Anyone seen that?