[Edit] THIS MOVIE IS 3 HOURS LONG???? THREE HOURS???? Dear god one hour felt like an ETERNITY in the theater.
Unfortunately walked out because I got overstimulated cause it was a lot louder than expected, and also really fucking boring.
Visually stunning movie. Absolutely gorgeous. The effects done in camera, the cinematography, the acting, everything is just so much fun to look at. Christopher Nolan knows how to make a damn good looking movie. Hats off to the team that made this thing.
But writing wise... damn, it underperformed.
Other commenters mentioned that this feels like a Wikipedia entry or a montage of 60 second clips, and damn they are right. The writing just did. not. hit. It was hard to follow any of Oppenheimer's personal life and to actually feel anything for him or any of the people in his life. I don't expect a movie to hold my hand. But I do expect pace to be managed well and to have a bit of breathing room to be able to process stuff. This did not give you the time to do it lmao.
Also the characters just... didn't interact in an engaging way. Less than 20 minutes into the movie I was already checking my watch to see how much more of this I had to sit through! I didn't know half of the characters' names, or half of their relationships to each other, or why they were even relevant. Like the best example of this is Oppy and Einstein's interactions. They have beef, but it's hard to understand why? There's like... two interactions before the one hour mark that total less than a minute of on-screen time together. Einstein gets a few words in there and it's just very very unclear why they hate each other, or how they met, or what any of their background is. It's confusing!
Also let's talk about Oppenheimer's motivations. As a literal communist, I should empathize with Oppy and understand where he's coming from. But I don't! Because he's a fucking idiot! When he's talking with other leftists, he mentions "Isn't ownership theft?" and the person in the communist party is like "It's property, actually" and he's like "Well sorry I read all three volumes of Capital in original German" and he's like... just a dick??? But also no fucking leftist who is going around having read all three volumes of Capital talks about that shit! That's just dumb! And the entirety of his leftist politics are portrayed in a way that make him look like an egotistical maniac with dumb politics! One minute he's starting a union and pro-labor, another minute he's dropping all of that in order to be a dog of the US government! There's obviously an enormous jump happening there. Like something very, very clearly and very, very majorly changed for Oppenheimer there, and the film spends a grand total of 30 seconds in a single scene having him transition from brilliant labor activist to US government dog.
Also there are time jumps! Lots of them! The choice to jump back and forth between the McCarthyist interrogations of Oppenheimer and the past do. not. make. sense. They are hard to follow, extraordinarily boring, and absolutely ruin any sort of pacing the movie might have! There are several points in this movie where Oppenheimer starts to be fleshed out a bit more as a character or starts to be given more space for us to see what he's really like. And then it's randomly cut off and flashed forward to these utterly irrelevant black-and-white interviews. Oppenheimer has a leftist past! Of course he does! The movie literally shows us that! And instead of just telling things in a regular narrative way, the movie splits things up confusingly for absolutely no good fucking reason, and ends up showing us and telling us the same information twice! That is shit writing! If you cut all of these scenes you would be missing nothing from the movie, and you'd have more time to actually tell us about the characters, instead of them feeling like one-dimensional caricatures.
I don't know any of Oppenheimer's history, and I left this not understanding any more of it! I left after an hour because it felt like two and a half because it was just this firehose of information. And Nolan didn't present it in a way that actually made a story! He just shat this all out on the screen (and it's a beautiful shit, don't get me wrong!!), and expected the audience to love it! His characters are one-dimensional, they aren't given the space, the motivations, or the background really for us to understand where they're coming from or why they do what they do. And that ends up with this being a visually stunning but really fucking boring movie that I just walked out of because I couldn't take it anymore lol.
I cannot stand seeing visually gorgeous movies produced by people who clearly have god-level talent that seem to have a complete and utter inability to get the basics of movie-making, story, correct! I have ADHD. For a lot of people, sitting through a boring movie is just boring. For me, it is exhausting. It is excruciating. I can't fidget in a movie theater, I can't move, I can't pause the movie and come back later when I'm feeling more focused. And so if a movie is boring, I just leave! And it is so fucking annoying to miss out on a chance to see a movie that is, outside of its story, fucking beautiful because its director and writer couldn't do the extremely basic job of making a movie that holds people's interest and communicates things in even a slightly clear way. God what a waste.
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@samwightt me when I have a tiktok attention span: :rage::rage::angry::angry::rage::angry:
This didn't felt like an AHS season at all if this was any other original Ryan Murphy production it would've landed well but this aint it, felt like a gay pespective Pose with an artistic vision on what AIDS epidemic was like . AHS kinda lost its shine with the original cast leaving
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@ponderism I agree this season has been disappointing in the end but I don't think it's the cast that's the problem; there are still some very talented people involved - much as I adore Jessica, Sarah, and Evan. I think AHS was just the wrong vehicle to do a story about the AIDS epidemic.
The mystery... 8ft(!!) below the surface...
Terrible acting, unnatural dialogue and a stupid story to boot. "100s" died in the lake and somehow it takes the ghost of their dead teenage son to get the father back to the lake when they had a vacation home there all along?:rolling_eyes:loading replies
Yeah. I get the difficulty of underwater photography but that was just sad. And that’s before we can talk about the story.
This would have been better if they just would have shown 40 minutes of the script burning in a fire pit.
Skipping most of the boring Russia subplot scenes made this season much more focused and bearable for me. I hope they don’t make this mistake in season 5, it felt utterly useless to the otherwise great story.
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@magenof yeah, it felt like they had no real idea of what to do with those characters this season, so they just threw them some dull generic Russia side-plot to give them screen time. This season honestly could have just been 8 episodes that were 1 hour each. There was no need for the super long episodes, especially that last one.
Entertaining series but the ending was rather ridiculous. 50+ infected people and not a single one of them with the self preservation instinct to find some shade? I know these are Christcucks so they’re not the sharpest knives in the drawer but still, even with the buildings and the boats burned there’s still tons of ways to avoid sunlight, from hiding under rubble, bridges, stairs, trees, a tarp, digging a hole, putting clothing over any exposed part of your body, etc. Instead they all just stand there and die.
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They just realised what happened and what they've done and decided to end it. It's not that all of them are stupid gosh
Personally I don't get the hype. It's an interesting, entertaining show but nothing new here. Especially if you're watching Asian movies and shows regularly. I give it a 6-7. There's much filler stuff and unnecessary side stories going on. Overall good but nothing spectacular.
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@nescobar-a-lop-lop This pretty much. It's fun if you like that kind of thing, but the fact that it doesn't bring anything new to the table, combined with some of the most retarded cliches, it's almost a waste of time. Seems to be getting so much attention because the mainstream audience is only just getting introduced to the death game genre with this series.
Should have been labeled 'loosely based on the books by Isaac Asimov'.... Absolutely butchered the books... Disgrace... Woke nonsense
On a positive note, it is beautifully made and the actors do an excellent job.
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@aylam If it makes me fragile, that I want shows and movies to be true to the source material, then yes I am fragile. But apparently I am not the only one being fragile, as you got quite defensive about my statements.
The original story was good, because it was good ... change too much and it will stop being good, as we have seen with a whole lot of other source material being butchered for woke points.
If you want a good space opera/drama with black women in the lead, write one! I don't support appropriation of others work for woke points.
Honestly the best thing they probably did with this is having two different cuts...
None of the rooms in the sequel felt particularly exciting with the beach one being especially terrible and the solutions were not very rewarding either (constantly running after single clues as a group or solving things randomly).
I saw people mentioning a better ensemble cast but honestly it was all very stiff and Zoey became ultimately annoying with her Mary Sue stick.
The backstory also didn't really make sense to me alongside a lot of contrived elements in the movie... I hope the next part puts more effort into the rooms/puzzles again.
Also did I miss something? Like... just... go under the taxi girls? Or how about you enter the code to get out of your own game? And if you forgot - the solution is still on the glass you know? :rolling_eyes:loading replies
@sp1ti I was wondering why their shoes didn't melt - Hydrochloric Acid burns should burn right through most shoes and it should stay on the ground for a while as much as it poured.
That would also be a reason not to go under the taxi - burns the skin right off :)
Regarding the solution still on glass thing, yeah - I was wondering that also. Even if he built some measure in so that the code works only once - its unlikely that the protagonists knew when they threw him in.
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VIP7John Krasinski has proven to have a decent level of craftsmanship behind the camera but this movie proves that he should be kept away from screenwriting.
I’m really surprised at a lot of the positive reviews because the plotting and beats in this movie are super dumb. There is a small hint at the level we are working at when we are with Krasinski on “Day 1” where we get a small peek at life before the aliens came and they make a choice to drop in an Easter egg reference to the toy spaceship that gets his child killed from the first one. It’s a seemingly innocuous little call back, foreshadow, wink, knudge, whatever, but it is a perfect example of the types of choices made in this movie. I mean not to ruin anything but essentially an alien pilots a boat in this film. Overall it just bugged me.
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@jim222001 why I said essentially. Also pretty great that a boat can just float out to this community with an alien "essentially" driving it, meanwhile a group of rapist, underground water people surrounded by boats did not find that community.
Anyone know why this episode hasn't aired yet? The episodes were monthly up until July, when everything seems to have just halted.
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@godzilladad I've just struggled through it, thought it was pretty terrible :( What did you think of it?
Louis CK & Pamela Adlon.. What can go wrong? Pamela's time to shine!
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True. But... Noe, That statement is not showing it. Season 4, things are starting to get too much filler. Hope it's just this couple of episodes. I love the show, but there is getting a bit too much filler and not engaging. Crossing fingers!
Very disappointed so far. Seems like they just threw a bunch of ideas at the wall hoping something stuck. Four episodes in and didn't care to finish
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@xaliber lol, hope you are doing well. Anyway my complaint with the show had nothing to with the show having lack of action. My criticism was more the rapid introduction of technology that seems to overshadow the entire premise of the show. Not too mention the show didn't clearly explain why Takeshi? The show implied that his group was some badasses but didn't explain how being a badasses will help solve a whodunnit. Not to mention the side story with the Hotel AI. Seem there's was a subplot of an AI revolt but sadly that resolved so quickly, so felt it was a waste of my time.
Very disappointed so far. Seems like they just threw a bunch of ideas at the wall hoping something stuck. Four episodes in and didn't care to finish
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Boring visual candy mixed with some nudity and poor acting. Very dissapointed in this show. I fell asleep during two episodes. The story is all over the place, and ones does not even know, nor really care, what the hell is going on. How this has a 79% rating (as of this writing), is beyond me. It should be way down in the 60s.
Absolutely comfy-core TV... despite launching with positive press apparently no one on trakt watched this. Too bad :/.
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@sp1ti I'm late to the party, but this is an instant classic for me.
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I had high expectations since I loved Get Out. This movie had many good funny moments. The horror part wasn't consistent. Some of it were well done, others felt rushed. I have two main issues with this movie. The first one was the pacing, the first half was super slow and the second half was rushed. SPOILERS The second issue is that the "orange clothes" people back story wasn't well explained with incoherent things like having similar children as the originals. It shouldn't have happened since biology doesn't work like that. I wish they explained it better if they had an sensible explanation. Some may say just ignore it and enjoy the movie but I can't, I need logical explaination even if it's fictional. That's what most B horror movies which I didn't expect of this movie.
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@m7md1ob How about the fact that we're meant to believe they had a copy of the whole town somehow living in that small underground corridor, with only a few beds, and they also happened to dress the same as the people above, and how did they survive on a few raw rabbits, what about medical supplies, toilets, anything humans need to live ?? And where did they eventually get all those red "uniforms" and pairs of scissors if they were "abandoned" ... and who did it? The government ? . Jesus, this movie made absolutely no goddamn sense, and they should have honestly left the whole plot a mystery up to the viewer or something, because that pathetic monologue explained nothing.
This one doesn’t sit well with me.
So we should blame big tech companies for making us addicted to their products, and the nasty consequences that come of it?
I very much question that morality.
Addiction is a problem of the individual, something you have to fix by yourself (with the help of others).
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@fly_ I absolutely think addiction in any sense is a problem, whether that’s technology or cigarettes, gambling etc. But I don’t think it’s the problem of engineers and producers, they’re just responding to supply and demand. Like I said, it’s a problem of the individual, not the company who just supplies. And if a lot of people are addicted, it’s a societal issue, which is when a government (again, that’s us, not the market) taxes or limits the production of addictive stuff in order to discourage you from using it. When it comes to using your phone while driving, I think pretty much every country at this point has a law that says you can’t use your phone while driving. If you still do that, and something goes horribly wrong, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Review by Yasmine
"iF yOu ThInK tHiS hAs A hApPy eNDinG, yOu hAvEn'T beEN pAyInG aTteNtIOn"
Literally everyone except Daenerys got a happy clean ending.This episode and this season as a whole have been a complete and utter disaster. the decline of storytelling quality from the last seasons is shocking. The show is barely recognizable at this point.
A character who wasn't a contender for the throne ended up on it even though they have done absolutely nothing this whole season, had lots of potential to make for a very interesting role but was ignored and swept aside then suddenly elected king.
Daenerys's character being completely butchered as she was turned from someone who never showed the slightest disregard to innocents' safety to someone who commits mass genocide and shows no remorse afterwards, all in the span of 2 episodes.
So many character arcs were neglected or wrapped up poorly. Jon being reduced to a secondary character with a combination of three sentences of dialogue, Jaime's development being thrown out the window, Cersei barely doing anything and then getting killed by bricks, Tyrion, the master tactician, turning to a gossiping idiot then getting promoted after he quits his job (seriously?)
So many plot points were discarded or turned out insignificant. Azor Ahai, Jon's lineage, The Lord of Light, Cersei's prophecy...etc
The whole White Walkers storyline being eliminated in one episode, then the whole Iron Throne storyline being eliminated as well in the end (FFS)
So much shit not making the slightest bit of sense. Dany's army multiplying, Arya's impenetrable plot armor, The North getting the independence while the Iron Islands didn't when they were the first ones to demand it, Drogon not killing Jon after he killed Daenerys, hell, the Dothraki and the Unsullied not killing Jon after he killed Daenerys, The point of the Night's Watch now that the WW are gone. Tyrion being in chains and holding up a presidential vote over who would run the 6 republics. HBO c'mon man.
Overall the pacing was too fast and inconsistent, the ending was rushed, anti-climactic and nonsensical. This couldn't have ended in a worse way. Kudos to D&D!loading replies
@jasminees18 Bronn as member of the council! WTF How? With What merits? and his first proposal: rebuild the brothels! The bad writing was at the level of Dexter.
Star Wars is next :(
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu Ah yes, going for the old "I'm smarter than you" high horse bullshit in argumentative discussion. Gets em' every time.
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu "No, you are fundamentally wrong."
You're entitled to believe that but considering a room full of writers who do this sort of thing for a living and D&D themselves seem to agree with me on this, I'm inclined to believe otherwise.
"It is not the writer's job to ensure everyone pays attention to every detail in the story"
Eh? It kind of is their job to ensure that said details are clearly presented to the audience, at least the consequential ones. Failing to do so and instead treating them like easter-eggs that you must secretly inject into the work and have fans hunt for doesn't make you a contemporary genius, it just means you've failed at properly doing your job.
"If you don't want to spend the effort it takes to pay attention, then you don't deserve to understand the story to the same extent as someone who does"
So let me get this straight, anyone who doesn't interpret a work of art the same way that you do is therefore someone who isn't paying attention and thus doesn't deserve to understand and appreciate the story? Narcissist much? Get over yourself, mate.
Interpretations vary greatly from one person to another, each person presents their own perspective on how they viewed said work of art, that's the beauty of it, it means something different depending on who's engaging it.
"Those who do delve deep are rewarded"
Yes, usually by mundane trivia but what do I know, I'm just a peasant who can not observe the layers of complexity that your highness is able to grasp.
"People like you who ask for explicit explanation for everything are actively ruining the art that makes television, and storytelling in general, so fantastic."
Please, spare me the sanctimonious attitude and refer yourself to my comment on interpretations.
Man, every time you respond to one of my comments it's always the same faint sense of anger and narcissism that I (and by extension of the likes, others as well) didn't share your feelings for a particular episode, it's always this high-horse bullshit that you just spewed into that last comment of yours: "I liked it and if you didn't, you clearly don't understand it".
In this reality - shocking as it may come to you - people possess differing opinions and takes on things, you don't have to accept those opinions but you've no right to belittle someone in some attempt to sell yourself as intellectually superior for seeing things only your excellency can apparently perceive.
I am incredibly grateful to Game of Thrones for this adventure I have found myself sucked into for some years now. I am grateful for all the emotions it brought me since day one, bitter and sweet alike. I am grateful for all the laughs, all the tears, all the jokes and gags, every single bit of it, I really am grateful and appreciative of it all. It's been just... wonderful.
That said, I am feeling robbed and betrayed right about now. This ending is arguably one of the worst series finales in the history of television and trust me I realize how bold of a statement that is. The terrible violations the characters have suffered this season, the lack of proper resolution to many of the plots and narratives developed over seasons worth of buildup, the seeking of shock value at the expense of quality writing... that and much much more solidified this as an absolute disappointment of a finale, as opposed to the marvel wrap it could've given this cultural phenomenon.
This episode does have its positives, as always the score, acting and cinematography are perfectly performed but I just do not think it's nearly enough to compensate for how lackluster the writing has been, as much as I wish they did. Oh well, sad as it may be, I'll just hold on to the good stuff and hope that GRRM's book, once finished, will tackle the ending in a more coherent, more respectful and more meaningful way. It's been real y'all...
P.S: I'll leave this here lest some people jump me again. This comment is a representation of my own personal opinion, I am entitled to one just as all of you are. If you enjoyed this season and felt this finale delivered what you were looking for then more power to you mate, but that doesn't nullify my opinion nor does it make yours any valid. If you want to discuss or challenge my views, I'd be more than happy to engage you on that basis but if all you have to offer are petty remarks then please keep them to yourself.
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@seanmsu It's funny how everyone who recycles this comment about the ending of Lost seems to fail to understand a very simple premise of writing. The same premise that had D&D re-do the pilot for Game of Thrones after initially sharing it with a room full of HBO writers and it's that if your audience fails to understand what it is that you're trying to relay, you've simply done a bad job, especially if it's as clear as you imply it to be.
Many audience members don't want to sit down and go full nerd trying to analyze the writers' creative decisions, which is why it falls on the latter to simplify the content for the former, you can of course call anyone who doesn't share your views a mindless twit who couldn't understand what the show was trying to do but the matter of fact is that it's the show's responsibility to make the audience understand and if it fails to do that then it's no fault of the audience, it's that simple.
fucked up ending. Fr they killed knight king so easily .
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@seanmsu Yeah, so effing easily. Arya materializes in mid air and stabs him, while literally thousands of wights and all generals made circle around Bran. Wights can hear Aryas blood drops in library, but can't notice her running and jumping. This was hilarious, eight years of build up, promised prince, Azor Ahai, children of the forest, and what happens? Deus ex machina. GTFO series writers.
What was this, Disney’s Game of Thrones? All these seasons of build-up... and we get this? How many characters of importance died?
I’m disappointed.
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@blue-lena Who cares. The big bad who has been the looming threat, the REAL BIG ENEMY, got killed in 2 seconds by a teenager.
Having Cersei as the "big bad" in the end is just completely and utterly stupid.
Shout by Marcelo André Bulgueroni
"Send the dothraki first since they are barbarians"
"Dragons are our heavy artillery let's keep them flying in circles without doing NOTHING for say 2/3 of the battle. Even if they all stop before a flaming trench and sit there nearly aligned for tenths of minutes. We can not win the easy way this must be EPIC"
"It's a massive invasion of Savage, quick and merciless undead but we like to walk orderly and calmly in libraries"
"By the way, libraries are still dead silent while people are being ripped to shreds outside"
"Hey, look, Arya slipped past 4.000 undead and learned Rey's air saber trick"
"Every major character gets to live even after being surrounded by dead. (jorah and theon were already half dead - oh yeah, theon, seems Arya waited in the shadows while you were impalled too. Go team.".
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@rexton
Thanks for being constructive in your new comment.
1. They knew all along they were going to be inevitably surrounded (just take a look at the war table on previous episode). You NEVER send cavalry charging when it can be easily surrounded, cavalry is strong at the front and very weak at the sides and back. So a better use for the dothraki would be keeping them on the sides for quick flanking maneuvers, attack and retreat, while the infantry in the middle takes the initial impact (BTW, braveheart does a better job in showing how to stop the first quick attack waves).
1.b. Charging in THE DARK not knowing when impact may occur. Set fire on the dothraki themselves not only their swords because you are killing them anyway.
2. When you have poor visibility you should refrain from friendly fire. EXCEPT if all undead are neatly aligned before a FLAMING DIVIDER between "them" and "us" and you could just dracarys them all to hell in some swift descents. Bot no. Let's not seize this opportunity and wait for them to do something.
3.4. The producers seemed to want so badly an Arya moment that they created a a videogame for her during the episode, because that is what it seems. Sneaking past an horde which was completely crazed in the beginning and much tamer and quiet while inside just does not compute.
5. We know Arya is the stealth master of the show, and she earned it. But unless she has an invisibility cloak this has gone too far, specially how she is able to descend from the sky (??) upon the Night King, past lots of undead people. I liked having her killing him, but I would thank them a lot if it was less flashy and a little more possible. Have her disguised as one of his undead bodyguards and I would be mostly ok with that.
6. All main characters were ridiculously trapped in impossible situations - trapped by hundreds of undead most of the time. Tired. Crying in despair, all flanks open in battle without backup. It's ok not wanting to kill them for the "great ending" but putting them in such heroic positions without any real loss shows a (plot) cowardice incompatible with what Game of Thrones was in the beginning and still is on the books (unless George decides to ruin it as well).
What attracted people to this show was that it was much more closer to reality than a Lord of the Rings fantasy in which all great battles end well. But now that such a huge public is captivated, it seems to me that producers took over writing and everything is acceptable in the name of better audience metrics. And what better way than fan service? As someone who greatly enjoyed this series, I am strongly disappointed by this season (7th was already rushed to some results), and I hope you can understand why I felt so let down while trying to see anything I could salvage in this episode.
What was this, Disney’s Game of Thrones? All these seasons of build-up... and we get this? How many characters of importance died?
I’m disappointed.
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@blue-lena Sure, but... this war has been looming since the very first episode of the show. The Night King, a 10 000 year old mythical being, who has always been the greatest threat, only manages to kill two characters of significance and is killed in a Deus Ex Machina fashion by an 18 year old with a few years of training.
Furthermore, how could Jaime possibly have survived? Brienne? Sam? Jon?
I liked about 85% of the episode, but the rest was extremely disappointing.
omg that was awful
And I didn't understand which holiday it represented (st patrick's maybe? because of that song at the gramophone?)
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@gonzopersona You are disgusting.
How exactly did you jump to the conclusion that I'm pro-rape or something?
Because I only wrote that I didn't like the episode.
Also I wrote poor Jimmi Simpson not poor Peter Rake because he (the actor, NOT the character) had to lower his standards and play in this. Where did I say that I empathize with his character?
Sorry folks but this one didn't go well for Marvel. I don't even know where to start. Acting was average, more like below average. Screenplay was as much ordinary as it could be. No surprise here. CGI was OK but it's somehow expected from Marvel. But I totally didn't like the idea of Wakanda. Hidden city in the center of Africa with tons of technology and advanced weapons and systems and so on. But how the hell did they build all of that? No explanation. It just happened. Yes, they have Vibranium, but they don't sell it. In fact they never did and for whole world they are just a bunch of shepherds and farmers. So where did they take all that money to build empire like this? I don't like movies without explanations and this is one of them. Almost nothing has been told about Vibranium whatsoever. Oh yeah, it's some super thing from the universe capable of anything. That's all the explanation you get. There are too many clichés we have already seen too many times. And we have to see them again. One example: I challenge someone for a fight because I want to kill him. And when I have the chance to kill him, what would I do? Kill him or throw him down from the cliff to the water where he can survive? But enough. If you hesitate if to watch this, I can recommend not to waste your time. Wait for the Avangers where you can also see the Black Panther. You won't miss anything if you miss out this movie.
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@hlava rating is high because if I rate it anything less than 10 people will call me racist.
ok ok i thought that we were going to have more before that ending that scene with her beating her mom up was pretty brutal, the episode takes a bit to get going but it pays off, not a perfect one, but a relevant one perharps.i just wish there was a bit more before it ended or made things slightly more interesting by putting Sara as a LGBT character for example
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Totally agree with @sp1ti. Why would making Sara LGBT make things more interesting?
Or to you, LGBT is just an entertaining thing? Trakt should have a report function for comments.
I am confused. This is from the last session right?
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@sp1ti Don't worry. I did have a déjà vu. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Déjà_vu )
As if I needed more reasons to drop this boring show.
Consider this:
You wake up in a room. You are bound together with a guy on a chair, back to back. There is a door and a control panel located at one end of the room, a corrugated plastic sheet on the other. What would you do to escape?
A) Try to shift over to the door, headbutt the console and yell for help in the corridor.
Or
B) Anything else.Yes, you can't make this shit up.
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@sp1ti Or how about the fact that the station goes on lockdown but anyone is free to come and go as they like? I thought that was pretty amusing.
Denis Villenueve. A solid lineup. A different take on first contact. I loved Sicario but went in expecting a cerebral epic sci-fi.
That was a mistake.
Good things:
- Some really nice visual scenes
- Interesting aliens Calligraphy aliens!
- Clear theme of communication is omnipresent
- A neat score that might be awesome in a different movieBad things:
- The acting
- The lack of emotional reaction to ALIENS! The students asking to turn on the TV, all of the main characters
- Lack of useful characters Only the aliens and Louise actually did anything the entire movie.
- Supporting characters are very stupid in an attempt to foil the main character slightly
- Very clumsy exposition. Genre-typical news reports, voice-overs, dumb characters asking stupid questions.
- Very slow pacing. This worked in parts of Sicario, but didn't work in this movie because there was no tension. The main characters never seemed remotely threatened.
- Lousie showing up at school thinking everyone will be there after aliens arrive and there's a state of emergency
- Why can't you translate alien language like you can translate Farsi. This is a paraphrase but in the spirit of what Colonel Weber was saying.
- Useless love interest when the costars have no chemistry.
- Ultrasecure military base lets someone steal a ton of explosives and put it in an ALIEN SPACECRAFT without anyone noticing.
- Many unbelievable plot points
- Poor dialogue Let's make a baby - real quote
- Poor handling of the major plot points Looking through time seems to undermine the fact that the aliens need help. Why did one have to die if they could see the future? Why did only one die when they were right next to each other?
- Very heavy handed moral messaging that didn't align with the rest of the movie.
- Why couldn't Ian also see into the future as he studied the language, or any of the others?Overall extremely disappointing. I'm honestly surprised critics or general moviegoers like this. The premise was very good. It's a real shame the execution failed so miserably.
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If experiencing time non-linearly doesn't change anything, why do the aliens need our help in the future? At that moment they are much more advanced than humans and there's no reason to assume that we'll surpass them or have higher eventual capabilities. Other than a feeble "go humanity!" sentiment there's no possible explanation offered.
The point of non-linear timelines was about choice. The fact that she could see her daughter get a disease and die gave her a key decision: should she still have a child even if the child will die in the near future? Is the gift of those experiences worth the pain for both herself and her daughter? The entire moral of the story was that it was worth it.
I strongly disagree that determinism is the point of the movie. If that is, it's a very boring premise and explains why everyone acted so poorly throughout. What is the point of everything if it just follows a preset linear sequence of occurrences that you can't interact with? The whole point of movies is to show change, to exhibit how people/other entities react to conflict. Taking away agency undermines the whole emotional point they were making while rendering the plot completely pointless (why should the audience be invested when none of the characters can make a difference?).
Nothing did imply that seeing time non-linearly made them omnipotent. However, Louise (an extreme amateur at this point with the language) was able to see many useful, actionable things in a very short amount of time. I assume the aliens should be much more adept at receiving and using what they see.
"Lets make a baby" is a fine line if you've established a close relationship and don't want to hackily mend the gap between people that barely are interested in each other and a child they've been talking about for a while. It's such a major phrase that they don't lead up to in a reasonable way.
Ian isn't a linguist. I agree his capability should be less than Louise. However, there are all of those other screens with linguists (teams of them) from all of the other countries with a spacecraft. They are all interacting in this way and there's absolutely no indication that any of them are not experiencing this. Some of the nameless characters working with Louise in the base are also linguists, and they also play no role in important events. Louise shouldn't be special but is for some reason.
Again, the main point that we disagree on is a matter of interpretation. I prefer to think that the creators of the movie want the characters to have agency and for their actions to mean something. You prefer to think that fate plays a large role here and that seeing through time doesn't give the characters choices, only sets them on the preordained path. I don't think there's any real evidence in either direction.
However, if I'm right, the creators of this movie were clumsy and failed at creating a realistic world which is the base of serious sci-fi. If you're right, the creators of the movie gave up on the core human component that nearly all other movies rely on to motivate the characters and interest the audience. It's a lose-lose.
