Did they really need to bring Karen back? she was completely unnecessary in this episode
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@abstractlegend And I disagree, she always jumps in when the heroes need legal help.
And she got her and Madani to see the morgue because she has history with creepy ed, Madani wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. This to get to know it was a setup which lead to Frank knowing he is not the same and doesn't deserves punishment himself. Also leading to him leaving from the hospital early.(He wanted to die from the syringe because he though he deserved it and wouldn't have left if he didn't knew this). From which point Karen isn't needed anymore as he's out of the legal reach she has. + she set off the fire alarms to let the others go undetected.
I finally figured out the writing style of the show. Lots of good stuff at start of an episode. Big action scene at end of episode. And middle filled with useless & boring stuff.
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@d0ndada middle is boring? Was some great character building in this one!
So you mean to tell me that after all that fighting and battles you going to turn around and become the very same thing you fighting... ridiculous.
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@jojo-sxm He's making Harlem great again. He even built a wall, and made the Italians pay for it. Harlem's Paradise is gonna be YUGE!
I enjoyed this episode but I learnt something about TV shows these days.
It's ok to mess with a guy, tell him he's a bad dad for not being around and making him love a kid thinking it's his... Then tell him it's not his and it's all ok.
It's ok to force a guy to unwillingly have sex with you so he cheats on his girl.
All these things happened and it's ok because it was women who did it.
But, dare to misgender someone and you're evil
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You have had pretty solid replies so far. Just want say that these practices happen to both women and men. The way it happened to the men in this episode and the lack of discussion or call for accountability is what often happens to women - speaking about the portrails in media. These practices are shown in many shows and the way it’s handled in this episode is visible in many other shows. It seems that it does not matter who the perpetrator is. The acts are heinous and do not stop at whatever gender is presented. Women are capable of the same assaults as men are. Does that make it right? Or less then? Absolutely no.
They probably blew all the budget on the previous episode as this was pretty much a filler full of expo with not much going on.
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@meap158 This episode had less filler than the first half of the show
What this episode proves most of all is that the destruction of Elliot's father wasn't necessary at all and could have been dealt with in a completely different way.
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@mansemat Yes, he is probably a visual personification of his father so that Elliot would remember his father in a good light, which helps to hide the traumatic memory. But he is also just a part of Elliot's persona, that was created by him as a coping mechanism for the trauma. Mr. Robot has none of Elliot's father's memories and we only have a limited understanding of what the father's personality was like, so Mr. Robot could be totally different from him.
This kind of thing can happen in real life too, caused by traumatic events, such as childhood abuse. People don't usually manifest split personalities just out of nowhere, there's often a very specific event that triggers mental illness. From what I've read, people that have experienced childhood abuse often bury the memories in their subconscious, and then suffer from depression etc. and don't really understand why they're having these mental problems.
Seems pretty realistic to me, not edgy. These kinds of things happen in real life a lot, and maybe you're uncomfortable thinking about it and resort to just calling it edgy, so that you wouldn't need to think about it seriously.
Sam "We don't need to talk, I throw my name in the bucket of "the best episodes of the year" without writing dialogues" Esmail
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@edrick and then it ends with "I think it's time we talked". Amazing show.
This season is dragging for too long. Nothing really happens. All 3 female characters are obnoxious, dumb and with no emotions to storry connection. This comes probably from all 3 being poor actresses. I hope this shows stops here. It has nothing more to offer
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@ramadri lolwut? Are you and I watching the same show?
You must be one of those, "hard-to-please" types of people because what you're saying is ridiculous.
Weak ending to a great show, way too many questions unanswered.
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That's the whole point to end in a cliffhanger so they have something to show you in season 2
I love the end - but it is not like it would be an accomplishment to the TV Show, they took it from the book and removed so much that it barely makes any sense.
All the political tension is basically removed and replaced with "why are we even discussing this". Not to mention the fact that they completly left out how Inaros fleet got destroyed.
That was really important, because the way they did it, the physics they used in the books (The rings make matter disappear when there is more than a certain amount in transit at the same time) was the reason Earth and Mars actually agreed that a trade union controlling passage through the rings was necessary.
It would have been hard enough to do this properly in 10 Episodes, doing it in 6 was impossible. Too much of the source material has been left out without patching the holes.Its heartbreaking and not in a good way...
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@player8472 I don't know if you just fell asleep, but how Inaros' fleet got destroyed and the fact they specifically chose to trigger it, was very much in the show. It's also entirely spelt out that E&M only came to the negotiating table because the ring entity problem meant transit overwatch was required.
I'm not sure what episode you watched(?)
Ahhhhhh i’m so happy they are not shying away from the tough conversations on what it means to be Captain America in this decade. I love symbolism in storytelling and there’s no stronger symbol than that shield, and the way they have used it as a vehicle and representative of the different American identities (good and (really) bad) has been incredible.
Steve Rogers, John Walker, Sam Wilson and Isaiah Bradley all represent sides of the US that co-exist, and John Walker being the effective Captain America for most of this show isn’t accidental - he’s the side of America that’s most present and salient right now (in the world off the screen), but ending the show with Sam Wilson carrying that shield - and going through all the issues that that might bring up - is as powerful a message as any - one of hope and of what the US should aspire to be. Steve Rogers is no longer enough, Steve Rogers is the American Dream - Isaiah Bradley the American Reality - and Sam Wilson is both. This show, and all of Captain America’s storyline, is about so much more than just men in spandex and they’ve done a fantastic job taking it even further here. Glad Marvel is still delivering after so many years, makes me proud to be a fan!
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@mattdeezly1996 Idiot, if that's what you took from this you truly lack intelligence.
What was the Monitor doing at the Legends’ show?
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@chuchitzu It looked like he was eating some popcorn.
So, technology in this world is stuck in the 1950s but Strange managed to invent and manufacture a MICROCHIP and a Brain-Computer Interface??
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@erebos The show draws elements from different decades, according to the New York Times: "the ambience is New York in the 1970s, but characters use computers and carry cellphones. Their clothes could be from the 1950s. And the buildings... look more like edifices from the 1930s, or even longer ago". Some buildings are created by the visual effects department and inspired by 1800s London! It's very Gotham.
I hate stories like this. Tales of the Noble Racist.
"The Noble Racist wouldn't be so racist, but they just had all these good rational reasons to be."
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@echelon_four This episode is in no way a defense of racism.
It's Liberty's origin story. A story that shows how nothing is clear cut, how no one is 100% right or 100% wrong. Reality is too messy for a declarative good vs evil narrative. And this man's reality is that he wanted to be tolerant and take the high road... when everything was still going well. But as his comforts and security got slowly stripped away, he gladly traded that tolerance for an outlet for his inability to accept creatures that, while not the same species as him, have the same issues and needs as Earthlings.
I like how there was a brief moment when his actions got recited out loud and he looked as though he wasn't even sure if that was him they were talking about. He had never once stopped to take stock of himself since back when he was talking his own dad down from being the household racist. Even people with the best intentions go bad, even if their goals are something worthwhile (protecting his family and the people working for his dad's company). I can't even say with certainty that -I- would have kept taking the high road after seeing my family go through all of that, but at the end of the day how his "nobility" manifested into hatred is completely on him.
But of course, this is Supergirl and not some oscar-winning Sundance film. So by the time the episode ended, Liberty went well past expected norms for a person falling from grace and became a full-blown comic-book villain that we'll never be able to take seriously again. At least it was neat how they paid attention to time-sensitive details and got Alex's hair and everyone's outfits right depending on when in the story they were.
Shout by leean
why is everyone hating on this finale???? i think this is the most fun watching experience since wandavision era
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@leanmrk Agree--- this was an absolutely delightful way to put it all together. Probably the most comic-book-like of nearly any of the myriad comic book movies and shows Marvel has put out yet.
Wonderful.
Why did Huyang have a spare kyber crystal on the ship? Why Ezra didn't use the Force to build his new lightsaber? Why didn't Morgan recover from her superficial belly wound like Sabine did with her impalment through internal organs? Why Ezra kept wearing his stormtrooper helmet when he escaped the Star Destroyer? Why Ahsoka and Sabine don't use the Perguls that go back to their galaxy, the same ones the nightsisters' ancestors used to get there? Why Trawn has such a positive outlook on life even when things don't go his way? Why Hera changed her orange pants to the brown ones that hides her butt in that one and only scene in the court martial? Why Anakin doesn't pull Ahsoka and Sabine back to the world between worlds and transport them back to their galaxy? Why people like the stuff Dave Felony writes?
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@mellowgeek
- Because he was a lightsaber builder
- Why does he need to?
- Plot armor
- Dramatic effect
- The space whales were scared away a few episodes ago
- Staying calm is part of his character and deliberately contrasts with the reactionary and aggressive tempraments of most Imperials
- People change pants irl too
- Force ghosts can't pull people into the World Between Worlds
Was quite nice and felt in the best moments like good old Star Wars.
But!
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They're not? Ezra did nothing stupid and Thrawn is the most intelligent character in the series. I feel like you're searching for problems that simply aren't there
In the previous episode, I suspected Cate being an accomplice, but the plot hole in this episode was that when everyone woke up wiped, she didn't have bloodshot eyes... Omitting that, feels like dishonest storytelling.
Also, why does Andre's voice change so much when he's using his power? Is that how he activates it? Or is that just his "angry" voice?
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@erebos she probably wiped their memory and then sent them to sleep, her eyes would've gone back to normal after a while
I dont like it. Why Bill is dead? This is The Last of Us not a romantic gay spin off of Bill and Frank!
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Now I want an entire show that is a gay spinoff with Bill and frank.
This too early to have a filler episode. Waste of an hour. Watch the first 5 mins and last 5 mins. Rest has zero value to story progression.
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@whos_ur_buddha It was a good build up to Joel and Ellie showing up, and Bill got way more attention than he did in the game and I'm all for it, his story was great.
Don't make me come back inside you?? XD WTF??
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@winchesterz
Finlay said, "Don't make me come back and cite you, sir."
They probably blew all the budget on the previous episode as this was pretty much a filler full of expo with not much going on.
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@meap158 character development ain't filler.
it's really sad seeing Elliot in pain crossing the line but he's got no choices anymore. this show gets better episode by episode.
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@goutham3113 I was half hoping he said "I was just bluffing with your coffee"
I can't be the only viewer who rolls his eyes at all the fan service.
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@the_argentinian Cobb Vanth, Fennec Shand, The Mandalorian, Grogu, Grand Moff Gideon, The Armourer, Koska Reeves, etc. It's no different to wrestling - you bring in the legends to accentuate the newbies.
Luke is also one of the biggest protagonist and has the biggest mystery behind him in the 30 years from 6 - 7. You're going to get more Luke.
- Did I accidentally put on Beauty and the Beast?
- I recognised Kristofer Hivju by his voice, but his face looks completely different without a beard and I would not have recognised him without his voice.
- Please give the hair and makeup department more money. I am begging.
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@amberrav Are you saying the boar man looked bad? Because I think he looked incredible!
Is this episode written by 16 years old?
This episode wanted to be Seven Samurai but ended up as that terrible The Walking Dead episode where everyone gets slaughtered (they're not though in Mandalorian, since this is a Disney series).
There is no development and no build up at all in this episode. Like the previous episode, everything is self-contained. All are introduced and resolved in this same episode. A lot of things happened in this episode but nothing actually contributes to the plot - except for exposition dump.
The bandit raid is a terribly weak, villain of the week setup. They just show up as some evil nuisances - no motives, no goals at all. The Mando teams up with an ex-rebel, which debunks a tired cliche, but at this point this feels like a try-hard attempt to make The Mando as a morally righteous hero. There is a half-assed attempts at romance here, but it feels forced as it happens so sudden. Despite being self-contained (or maybe because it is) the episode lacks closure by the end, and the nifty little scene regarding one stray bounty hunter seems like something that appears just because they still have several episodes to go.
The dialogues are terrible: it's a tonne of exposition dumps. I don't have any idea why the writers think it makes sense for the characters to suddenly ask a stranger, "when was your last time you open your helmet?" and, in return, open up a heart-to-heart "hey I got a tragic story" past to a stranger. The banters with Gina Carano's character is okay, but it feels like they have to slip backstory every now and then. As if they're not having a real, human conversation. Every dialogue feels so forced and hurried as if they have to make it fit into this episode.
Also, it seems like they have no idea what an AT-ST is. It's a vehicle, not a droid.
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@jaw72 how would you know the quality of a product if you only watch it partially? Doh.
uh... thought Diego had a dislocated shoulder?
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@raquel_bluey The "crazy lady" put it right back in place first thing she did when he told her. :blush: She'd distracted him first though. And apparently you as well :joy:
Sigh. A crossover to the Arrowverse - I though we had all moved on from that years ago.
I'll admit I couldn't get to the end. The problem with these type of cross over stories is you have to be watching them in sequence. For those of us not in the US, it doesn't always work like that - companies here don't necessarily broadcast in the same way the US companies want us to watch them, which just makes these stories nonsensical.
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@peteo lol. crossover hppened last year. These episodes are the best of all the series.
what's does being a transgender woman have to do with this story???????? this show has lost my interest
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@lordmillion You say it like it was made into a whole plot or something. It was just a line.
Hmmm, they're starting to drag their feet. We used to have action, this episode was a total bore
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@ramadri This is a science fiction series (Co-Genres: Fantasy, Mystery, Drama, Thriller, Suspense), maybe you should watch an action series instead. This is not "Transformers" (Pseudo-Science-Fiction).
