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How sad to have such a limited view of what this show can be

@whos_ur_buddha This isn’t a video game. It’s about the journey.

@dungrapid5 It's ok, you can dislike something most people like, doesn't mean they're lying

@kieranlittleuk I don't remember a character named Milton. I think I'd remember. It's not really a common name.

@whos_ur_buddha This is one hell of a side story! My hour wasn't wasted, if this would have been a standalone film I'd watch it it's that good. Why does it always need the main characters to build the world they are picturing? This is storytelling at it's best.

Hmmm, you have a remarkably narrow world view if all you took from those episodes was just "gender swapping or race swapping a character." T'Challa is a very different person than Peter Quill and Peggy Carter is much more assertive due to her upbringing than opposed to Steve Rogers. The previous two episodes have very little to do with race or gender, and much more to do with how contrasting personalities put in similar situations would create vastly different outcomes.

@bejot you clearly facepalmed the whole movie and didn't see it properly

@martlet the show, not inly in the text but also in interviews with the show-runners, is about love and the things we do for love (good and terrible) and to protect the ones we love.

Bill is a paralel to joel and frank to ellie. Opening up the others hearts and letting love in. On closed off by his own closeted homophobia and paranoia and the other from trauma and loss of his child. Both pragmatic and overly serious not letting others in (joel didn’t even let tess in for all the years they where together)

The episode shows also how post apocalypse we don’t have to sacrifice our humanity. To do more that just surviving but to actually live and care for the things around us. And for art, and beauty.

The letter at the end really activate joel in the quest to protect ellie. He has failed to protect his daughter and as reminded, tess. It tells him that life with purpose is possible and it’s mostly someone else. And that they, both, would do anything to protect the ones they care about… and i pity the fool who stand on their way (foreshadowing what joel is going to do in the end)

There are many more reasons why this episode matters in the context of the show but a not unimportant one is that it was beautiful and a good story and telling it was something they wanted to do and was worth it… maybe not to you but for many others, apparently.

Clearly you did not, at all, understand the meaning of this episode and how it clearly ties into Joel and Ellie’s journey

@walgeon I don't think the show acts like any of it is okay. Lila in general just isn't a very good person and she never had the best morales, it's really not suprising of her to do something shitty like that. And the show makes us sympathize with Diego on this I think - at least I felt really bad for him when I saw his reaction and he stuttered.

Regarding what Allison did I will not disregard the history/problem media has with not taking sexual assault of men serious enough or straight up making it the butt of the joke but I don't think that's what happened here. At least not up until now. No one said what she did was okay, it was even portrayed as a bad thing that upset Luther. And now that she killed Harlan I'd say she's pretty much a bad guy at this point.

@zdistrict how much effort it must take to capitalise every first letter just for it to be grammatically incorrect lmfao

@progshine No they really shouldnt. As someone that has read the books i dont agree with that at all. If the show cant tell whats happening without additional knowledge, it has failed in that regard.
I however also dont think that Calanthe not being dead and not married to Eist yet is horribly confusing. Both of them are definitely dead and if they are both walking around it has to either be a dream or the past. How is that hard.

@alex8mr 1 star for something you didn't see ?

@possamai I think Ray is a warden in the prison and asked Elliot for help. The computer work always happens at night it seems because it's always dark outside judging from the windows in Ray's office. The guys that beat Elliot up are either corrupt guards or his minions inside the prison.

@marcel1983 any episodes that mention anything Wakanda related, just don't watch it. Then everyone's happy, those of us that are ok with the Wakanda storylines can watch them, people like you that are not, don't have to. All good :thumbsup_tone4:

@ausxor you mean star wars? yes of course it's for children. it's still good.

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@nicol1212 only a racist would be bothered by that. Don't bother to deny it.

@martlet would have missed a great episode of TV that speaks to the themes of the show if not advancing the plot.

@eddierdy I'm more concerned that even though the series also shows normal male characters, you only look at the toxic ones to shout "she thinks all men are like that".

Let's see if it's going to turn out that you identify with those types of men and the one who needs help is you.

Complaining that you're "tragically going to have to endure" watching a series is nothing to beat your chest about either.

@benitesgui Last Jedi was hated by some of the fans, not all. Many fans loved it, many others liked it, many were lukewarm to it (no pun intended). There was a wide variety of reactions from fans, and it's completely incorrect to say that it was "hated by all the fans".

@santiagolipe Well MM certainly got a lot of herogasm

I agree a bit on the Tyrell stuff.. But I think he's going to play a bigger more meaningful role.. I can't really put my finger on why but he has a pretty weird role now and that must have a reason and it can't stay like this.

And yes, I agree that it's vague (Elliot's social anxiety doesn't help there) and ambiguous but that's also what makes it mysterious and interesting. At least for me it does and looking at the praises I'm not the only one with that opinion. And about how those people may not have seen enough television.. I think it's the opposite. We've seen too much that all looks alike (and fake as hell) that it's nice to watch something different for a change.

Plus, the realism makes it cool for the technerds (and there's lots of us). Finally screens that don't make a sound when text appears. No fancy graphics but actual linux console stuff with real existing commands and scripts.

I'm not saying it's "DA BEST EVAR!" (at least I would spell it correctly if it were) but I like it a lot.. and apparently for the same reason that you do not like it :)
Gotta love opinions.. no 2 are alike.

@donpalomono I don't really get this viewpoint (and I've heard it before). I think the female characters existence in the story make the show more interesting. In my opinion it would be weirder if the show just glossed over women joining the astronaut program and pretended like it wouldn't be a big deal. I don't think they overdid it, they told the story and showcased how such a situation might have played out in the 60s-70s and then moved on fairly quickly to focus on other stories with all the astronauts doing their jobs.

@abstractlegend I like her, I appreciate her humble roots and goals, but I think they're making us dislike her for now so we can lover her more somewhere down the road. They're messing with her mind, she's very gullible, but she has her heart in the right place.

Then again, she could become the next Homelander.

Ignoring the ignorance for a moment, imagine if this episode had just been Joel and Ellie arriving at an abandoned town that just happened to have a truck with a working battery, supplies, and guns (things they need to move forward). That would have been unearned and confusing. Even if Joel had said “these guys have lots of stuff oh good they’re dead so they don’t need it anymore” that would have simply been boring. Show, don’t tell, is a fundamental rule in TV and movies.

@kieranlittleuk A moment of silence for Milton.

Do you really got a so straight and narrow interpretation of the main character choices? Did he took the kid only out of empathy or sentimentalism? Maybe he didn't liked the idea of the Empire toying with that unknown power like the ones he saw? Didn't that scene in the Mandalorian foundry hint at some strong code to honor in the Mandalorian hlture that goes beyond the simple mercenary work? Didn't that flashback of Mando childhood memories, suggest that he may feel a personal connection with a lonely kid being victim of the empire conflicts, even with that last image of child Mando hiding in a box to match the baby Yoda cradle image?
Is just Disney. Wow. That's it? I mean sure it is, is just a sci-fi action show not trascendental philosophy. But man... such oversimplifications make me wonder what's the point in trying to build more complex characters, when even the average audience got so monodimensional and just keeps seeing only what they want to see..even when they do not like it..

@asiacrisp
How high are your standards when it comes to CGI? The dragon looked fine as far as CGI goes. Good, even. The main complaint regarding it that I've seen is the overall appearance. It looks more like a wyvern instead of a dragon or a chicken with wings, people are saying. And as far as the voice-over goes, Villentretenmerth was apparently speaking to them telepathically, so that explains why his mouth wasn't moving. But I agree that the voice-over wasn't that good.

@inselberg Predictable but awesome. People hand out poor ratings carelessly on here.

Completely agree, the character placement in this whole series is very poorly done. why does Vader just walk away when he could have, and already did, extinguish the fire the first time?

Give the audience some credit, I really hope this gets better, but I’m losing interest quickly. I’ll probably still watch the rest, just to see what happens, but I’ve lost all excitement about this series.