I got so nostalgic while watching this episode, reminiscing about Data and Tasha...
Already one of my favourite episodes from The Orville, this one was a beautiful take on the classic theme of love between a human and a machine. Where does the programming end and love starts? Truly an episode that will linger in our minds quite some time after watching it, there's a lot to think about.
On the downside of things, I was sad that we lost the chance of having Tom Selleck as a regular aboard The Orville.
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@finfan Bortus' luscious 'stache! It's hard to get any more Tom Selleck than that ;)
Shout by Ahmed Hamdy
VIP4He brought me a banana.
Ed?
No, Isaac.
Oh, right.hahahaha, don't you feel that Isaac is like Sheldon? XDDDD
And that one
I prefer to hear from Commander Lamarr.
That was funny too XD
This episode was so much fun, I think it is one of the greatest one yet!
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@ahmedhamdy90 again, I agree with you, my man! This episode was, indeed, beautifully executed and it's my favourite episode of the season, so far. Heck, it's already one of my favourite episodes from this show!
This show can be really good when it deals with the main plot. It can be equally awful when it brings us the bad metahuman villains.
Nevertheless it really picked up for me at the end of S2 where I really wanted to watch it but what happened next I had not anticipated.I will remember this show as tough to stick with at first. Evolving, over the two seasons I did watch, to something I liked. Then it dropped like a millstone within the events of 3 episodes to the point where I couldn't quit fast enough. And it made me ultimately realize I should probably not start watching another superhero-show.
I wish, for once, they would make one of this shows for adults. Without all that unessessary drama.
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@finfan I AGREE. Can not watch anymore
Yeah, well we know it was a setup. Really well written episode, again. But if that was supposed to generate sympathy for Dr. Crazy I'd say we were already past that.
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@finfan Ugh since the first episode she appeared I didn't like her... It was kinda obvious that she would fall for Billy.
We missed the time to put the corporations on a leash. They have become too powerful. Thanks to lobbying all over the world they have basically taken control. You don't have to be a genius to see that.
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@finfan Republicans aren't genius then since they can't see it
So, Discovery is back and as I indicated last year I hadn't missed her much. But I am willing to give her a second chance. And I struggle with it, I already had the urge to stop during this episode.
I can't say anything about the story as it is clearly a season long arch. That new uniform looks much improved. That's about all the positives I find. What made me sigh a lot is those forced comedic element like in the elevator and those awkward moments fe between Tilly and Pike , again totally forced and not coming naturally. That almost felt like a sitcom.
Now, I understand that a new Star Trek show has to look more modern than a previous one. But the tech is just too much. It is basically just eye-candy. In every shot there is way too much happening on the screen. Way too many "uhh" and "Aahhh" moments. The quality is good but it's not nessessary, it's not Trek. And alltogether the show feels not unique, it feels ordinary.Coming back to the story I still don't see how they can come up with a satisfying explanation that this is Prime Universe Star Trek. And since the general fate of Spock and Pike is established fact we are again in a situation that anything threatening to happen to this characters feels meaningless. And Burnham going through Spocks quarters - that's too much invasion of provacy. I didn't like that.
Honestly I don't know where to go. I want to like the show as there was too long of a time without Star Trek. Therefore I really look hard for reasons to like it but I only come up with reasons I don't. I will stroll along for a couple of episodes more but I won't force myself through the season.
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@finfan it's more of the same, really: lots of fireworks and little of that good old Star Trek feeling.
Regarding the humour, I agree with someone else around here who speculates that they got the memo about the fans preferring The Orville to this and, as such, they tried to incorporate more humour into the show. So far, it's not really working, but this was just the season premiere.
As for the technology, I couldn't agree more. I love all those flashy gadgets and shiny tech stuff, but it's too much, considering this is a prequel. It's like they have the budget and want us to know that they have the budget.
I do enjoy Discovery and I still think it's a good show, just not a good Star Trek one.
The one thing I didn't want to see. But writers are sooo predictable in that regard. And if you have to ask what I mean you probably haven't a problem with it anyway.
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@finfan Can't make a show without it these days.
Compared to the previous two episodes I would give this a "11".
While maintaining some of the fun, the more sublte one, Cherry Chevapravatdumrong gives us a character driven episode which didn't really need the hostage taking part, but it wasn't to harmful either. I am sure Trek fans are thrilled seeing Picardo, Billingsley and Hagan guest-staring. I know I am and especially the scenes between Picardo and Sage are the highlight of this episode. And the show proves again that it can be great when it finds the balances between seriousness and fun.
So is Alara gone for good? From what I read on the net I'd say she's gone as a regular for now and might come back as a recurring character at a later time. But that is just my opinion. In any case it is a loss for the show
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@finfan ooooh, I definitely like that soap opera side of the story about her leaving the show!
Not spoiling anything, but I enjoyed the next episode more than this one, the show is back to its first season's former glory (and to being a worthy Star Trek alumnus).
And the second season finally starts to pick up the pace! For me, this was the best episode of the season, so far (yes, we still got a few more more to go, I know). Being trapped with the enemy, hiding from a menacing race that overpowers them both was a nice plot device. What followed was a solid episode about hope & forgiveness, love & heartache. They seem to be going for the drama, this season, and they're finally nailing it.
Also, I love that they kept the new head of security for an extra episode, I really like that typical Family Guy kind of character (he's sort of a familiar and comfy cliché). Too bad they'll be ditching him, soon. Probably replacing him with a human. Human show runners are so racist. Meh.
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@finfan oh, right, so you've told me last week! Let's see what they'll come up with.
Compared to the previous two episodes I would give this a "11".
While maintaining some of the fun, the more sublte one, Cherry Chevapravatdumrong gives us a character driven episode which didn't really need the hostage taking part, but it wasn't to harmful either. I am sure Trek fans are thrilled seeing Picardo, Billingsley and Hagan guest-staring. I know I am and especially the scenes between Picardo and Sage are the highlight of this episode. And the show proves again that it can be great when it finds the balances between seriousness and fun.
So is Alara gone for good? From what I read on the net I'd say she's gone as a regular for now and might come back as a recurring character at a later time. But that is just my opinion. In any case it is a loss for the show
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@finfan I just read the news that FOX confirmed that the actress is leaving the show due to a conflicting schedule with other stuff she has going on. Sounds like a generic excuse, so maybe something else is behind all this, but she is, indeed, out of The Orville, for good. Of course, she's likely to return every once in a while as a guest star. They already have two new actors lined up to join the crew, let's see if they can make a positive impact o the show.
Robert Picardo, again! Please, more Star Trek guest stars!
I would have never expected to see someone from The Vampire Diaries in this show, but there she was, the actress who played Carolyn, still looking like a sight for sore eyes... Teehee!They switched gears for this episode and gave us a more serious, emotional one, focusing on Alara and her relationship with her dad. It worked, it was definitely a step-up from those average two episodes of this season, but I hope to see The Orville's typical, well-balanced humour back, soon (and definitely not the cringeworthy one we had in the previous two episodes). That new chief of security is sick!
So... Is the actress who plays Alara leaving the show? Because it sure looks like it.
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@finfan that sure is sad news, as she's one of the most interesting characters of the show. I like the new chief of security, but he seems to be just a two dimensional character who's there just for the laughs.
Riker calls for emergency attention from security, so who shows up? Worf, with Geordi. Neither has a phaser. La Forge isn't even part of the security division—at this point in the series, he's the helmsman. But Dr. Crusher happens to bring along a phaser when called to a medical emergency onboard the ship… because that makes sense. (We'll try to ignore how Worf and Geordi play along with Admiral Quinn's lies about what happened to Riker. That's also bad.)
That chair Remmick is sitting in looks an awful lot like the one used for Admiral Jameson in "Too Short a Season". That's because it was the same prop, redressed.
Not a nitpick, but doesn't fit into the review proper, either: I had no idea Captain Rixx was a Bolian. This is the first appearance of the species in Star Trek, and I guess I'm used to the later makeup design—which uses a much more saturated blue. Bonus trivia: The Bolians were named after Cliff Bole, who went on to direct a total of 42 Star Trek episodes across TNG, DS9, & VOY. He also directed on numerous other well-known shows like MacGyver, The X-Files, Baywatch, and Charlie's Angels.
Some background information on what was happening in the television world at the time explains why this episode wasn't as good as you might think it should be. After all, it's clearly meant to be a taut thriller about the possibility of Starfleet being seized by aliens. It's obviously meant to be part of a larger story arc—that started several episodes back, when Quinn gave Picard that warning.
The writers' strike of 1988 was ultimately responsible for this letdown. This "Conspiracy" plotline was meant to be intertwined with the Borg, who were to be introduced at the start of season two. But the writers' strike delayed the rest of the Borg storyline several months, and this piece of it was dropped. That's why nothing ever comes of the "homing beacon" Data reports.
It's too bad. Aside from it being entirely too easy for Picard and Riker to win against the "mother creature" (in Remmick's body), I enjoyed this one. It's not perfect, but "Conspiracy" as part of something bigger would have been better than what ultimately happened: treating this like any other incident-of-the-week—essentially, pressing the "big reset button" and pretending like these events never occurred.
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@finfan For this one in particular, I spent a fair bit of time reading IMDB's trivia, looking for background on Google (ending up at Wikipedia), and putting it all together in my head—with some help from writing and rewriting paragraphs several times.
That's the general process. If I'm curious about something in the episode, whether an on-screen detail or just a hint at production stuff (like the writers' strike), I'll go research it after writing my nitpicks down. (I try to write down only nitpicks/goofs I personally noticed, though occasionally something too good not to mention slips past me and I crib it from IMDB…)
It's interesting that you mention books. I, too, have several Star Trek reference books but it's far more convenient to simply leverage the Internet for research after (re-)watching an episode, since I'm already on a computer.
This show has nothing exceptional about it at all. It's pretty lame and cookie cutter. Disappointing.
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It was great till the season 2 ending, then it all went downhill, still going
you guys were saying it is bad but that was quite a enjoyable episode compared to some of season 1 episodes so leave it be. i really hate negative comments on a show it what inadvertently causing the show to cancel. (eg for you people who cant recognise. bad reviews mean people will read it before watching the episode people go into a episode with a negative mind set thus those people wont enjoy it as much as they would if they didnt know anything about it). ANYWAY good episode would like to see flash move into the arrow alittle more which would be perfect but other then that very happy and excited for the next episode.
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We're not allowed to criticise now? And you're plain wrong concerning negative reviews. Little to no connection exists. Got a study to back that claim up? Because some of the least well-reviewed movies and shows of the last couple years were massively successful. Take the Transformers franchise for instance. Panned by critics and audience reviews alike, yet they keep making enormous amounts of money. Bad reviews don't keep many people from watching something and they don't appear to have a strong influence one way or another on their own judgment.
That last season wasn't as bad as the previous one but still could not convince me the show deserved more. They had 12 seasons, almost 250 episodes, which is something few shows reach. There is a reason for that even if, from my point of view, the were past due at least 2 years. Even the ones before weren't outstanding. I loved the first 100 eps, the next 100 were OK, and the rest was pretty much a time filler. It really ended with the death of Sweets.
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@finfan I agree with you 100%! The death of sweets was what caused the show to lose its spark
Well, this was one bad pilot. Maybe im just to old for this. the 1st 20 mins are one of the worst acting i seen in tv shows.
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It's a total mess if you're not already watching both Arrow and The Flash and damn some of them are terrible actors. Wentworth Miller in particular makes me cringe every time he speaks. As a companion show it was pretty decent for what it's supposed to be though.
Along with "Saps At Sea", this was one of the last films that Laurel and Hardy made for Hal Roach Studios, before moving on to 20th Century Fox and MGM. These two films prove that Laurel and Hardy had by no means lost any of their magic as they grew older. The drastic change from these two amazing films to the dreadful "Great Guns" (their first Fox film) proves that the bigger studios had made a huge mistake by refusing to allow Stan to write or direct their films. If they had lost their magic by this point, then surely the last few Roach films would be disappointing as well.
The reality is: "A Chump At Oxford" and "Saps At Sea" are among their best. This film has far too many wonderful moments to pin-point them all, but the more you watch it, the more you begin to realise how phenomenal the scene is when Stan is playing with the "ghost's" hand in the maze. It is genuinely the other guy's hand and yet is is rehearsed so well, you can trick yourself into believing it's actually Stan's hand. The performance is surreal.
The dialogue in this film is absolutely hilarious, and yet there are so many brilliant lines that you wouldn't even notice from first viewing. Such as when they finally arrive at one of the most famous Universities in the country and Ollie says: "You'd think they'd advertise this college to let people know it was on the map!"
When Stan turns into Lord Paddington, and is about to fight the students, he turns to his valet and says: "Meredith, hold my handkerchief!"As with most Laurel and Hardy films, you will miss out on so much if you only watch it once. I've seen this film over a hundred times or more, and it still has me in stitches every time I watch it. I really feel sorry for people who don't watch Laurel and Hardy.
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@finfan I'm lucky enough to work at the Laurel and Hardy Museum in Ulverston. I'm only 25, but been a lifelong fan of them. I really believe it doesn't matter how old you are, or what generation you're from - as long as you have a great sense of humour, you'll love Laurel and Hardy. They really were amazing! And we see kids as young as 3 and 4 laughing along with their great grandparents who are 90 odd. Truly amazing.
I think Iron Fist is blocking its own path to become something better. Everytime I thought it was gaining ground they throw in stupid dialogue or dumb character decisions. Hell, part of the show even felt more like Dallas or Dynasty than a super hero show. And they really need to work on the way the action is presented. This all looked soft, you could easily recognize the rehearsed moves.
Netflix needs to step up big time for me to continue watching those Marvel shows for another season. With the exception of Daredevil none of the likes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or this have left a mark. And I'm beginning to wonder, of all the characters Marvel has at his disposal, those were the best to center the shows around ?
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@finfan you seriously should bump Titans to the top of your watchlist. Right now, it's the only really good superhero show around. I recall recommending you The Gifted, last year or so, but its second (current) season is so appalling that it's not even worth trying to watch it. As for the Marvel shows, I have to agree with you, again. They're just too many and focusing on minor superheroes, eventually people would stop caring about most of them. So far, I only really enjoyed the first season of Daredevil and Jessica Jones, the rest has been "OK", at best. I can't even bother with the second season of Luke Cage, since the first season nearly bored me to death (which is a pity, I liked him in Jessica Jones). I remember about 5 years ago when I didn't know which shows to watch... These days I don't know which shows not to watch! Too much stuff going around! I hope Marvel/Disney focus on just a couple of shows and make them good. DC shows are worse, we mostly get just that CW teen-oriented crap, Gotham and Titans being the only solid exceptions worth watching. Sorry for rambling!
the reveal of Reverse Flash at the end was just perfect.
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@finfan I won"t spoil it for you, all I can say is that Reverse Flash is one smart man :)
I think Iron Fist is blocking its own path to become something better. Everytime I thought it was gaining ground they throw in stupid dialogue or dumb character decisions. Hell, part of the show even felt more like Dallas or Dynasty than a super hero show. And they really need to work on the way the action is presented. This all looked soft, you could easily recognize the rehearsed moves.
Netflix needs to step up big time for me to continue watching those Marvel shows for another season. With the exception of Daredevil none of the likes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or this have left a mark. And I'm beginning to wonder, of all the characters Marvel has at his disposal, those were the best to center the shows around ?
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@finfan I'm currently watching season two only because I got to know it was the last one (so, I had to watch it for the sake of completeness, since it's just one more season) and it's definitely more enjoyable than the first one. It even made me bump my rating up a notch. It's not like it's now good enough for me to recommend you to watch it (if anything, you should watch DC's Titans, instead, that show is absolutely great!), but I feel that people should only rate this show after having watched both seasons. Unfortunately, most comments around here are only from people who've watched just the first season and didn't bother with the second one.
This episode was actually quite nice, to the point of even the always annoying Bernardette being somewhat funny as Howard's pageant mom (but only slightly). I always enjoyed the magician persona of Howard, so it was nice to see them exploring that side of him again (and I was not expecting that final act to go that way!).
Also, I absolutely loved the whole fall and rise of Sheldon Cooper, that turnaround regarding his theory after watching an old recording of a casual speech of his dad was delightfully hopeful and sweet. I truly enjoyed the uplifting tone that oozed from the show at that time.
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@finfan if that was their attempt to bring TBBT viewers to start watching Young Sheldon, I have to say it was a miserable one (for now, I don't watch that show nor I intend to). They better try harder with that.
Ever since the first Predator with Arnie I'm waiting for a worthy successor. This one ain't it either. I was tempted to quit watching instead I choose to let it play along. Man, this is awful.
Bunch of stupid morons that are supposed to be funny, but aren't. I am not sure who's worse - those "soldiers" or that guy Traeger with his I-am-a-cool-mothaf*** vibe.
Dialogue like: can you ask the kid to turn down that psychosis. One stupid one-liner amongst many.
Plot holes, f.e. the guy swallows that cloaking device and seemingly never went to the toilet after that. Whole script is no good.
CGI isn't good either. Apperently 88m $ (according to imdb) isn't enough nowadays. Action scenes have lots of cool moments, if you're an adolescent that is. You clearly can identify the target audience by the number of times the f-word is used.
Whole movie is just a waste of time and money. But, of course, at the end we get a hint for the next movie with a Predator suit that is a cross between Iron Man and Optimus Prime. I really hope someone has the good sense to stop this from happening.
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@finfan he actually did go to the toilet. There was one scene I recall he looked like he was going to be sick or something and he ducked out for a sec.
Review by FinFan
I started watching this although I knew it was killed after one Season.
Honestly I don´t know why. This was in my opinion a real quality show which deserved to live to develop it´s plot. This looked and felt good. I went through 8 seasons of 24 ´cause everyone said it was so great - the one season FlashForward has had more than the whole 24. Of course this is just my view but there is so much s**t on TV and this had potential. Maybe not for 8 season but 3-4 to play itself out.
I will miss it and although it´s not finished I don´t regret watching it. It will remind me of how stupid TV-Stations are. They are pushing a lot of shows down our throats that don´t have good ratings either.
One thing for those of you consider reading the book: If you like good SF without spaceships and aliens you will problably like it - if you´re looking for the conclusion of the show save the time. The book and the show have very few in common. They took the general idea of the FlashForward but that´s about it. Few other parts, too, but in a different context. Whole different story and characters beside from Simcoe and even he is different. It is a good book, though.
What did you see ? ;-)
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@finfan this is actually one of the shows cancelled just after the first season that I miss the most (along with Almost Human) . I remember being so pissed when I got to know it was cancelled (I watched it one episode at a time, weekly, as they were being aired). I really needed to know more! It's the only show that made me buy the book on which it was based. Sadly, I still haven't read the book after all these years :P
The famous infamous "The Naked Now" episode.
This had one of the greatest moments of the first season. Yes that one. But the problem here, and it has become apparent the more often I watch this, is not the story itself , but the awful acting performances. It's all just a little too much.
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@finfan Imo, it's not just a mediocre story, but it's got the huge problem of iirc making all the characters act out of character...3 episodes into the series. I don't know what they were thinking. A similar thing happened with stargate sg-1 iirc, same type of episode early into the first season. We haven't got to know hardly any of the characters, so it's not just odd that they're acting out of their character, we don't care.
I´m a Star Trek fan and that will never change. Having said that Voyager always was my least favorite of the shows. I watched it when it originally aired with a bit more of the fanboy attitude and now 20 years later. It´s not that it is bad in general, there isn´t something fundamentaly wrong with it. But after finishing it now I found many little things that I didn´t like. For starters I never really had favorites among the characters. With very few exceptions I found them either annoying or I didn´t care at all most of the time. Voyager had the least amount of memorable episodes which I only noticed now while watching again. With every other Trek show I could name you multiple episodes that really left a mark in my brain so to speak, not with Voyager. There where quite a lot of episodes I had totally forgotten about. I found the later part in general to inconsistent and often times the story was a little to convenient. While at first they struggled to find resources left, right and center, later on it seem to be no problem at all. Loose a shuttle ? No problem next week we have the full complement again. Ship damaged in battle ? Again, next week bright and shiny as new. I could go on but I think I made my point. Maybe I´m beeing unfair, the show was clearly more directed to the casual viewer, it hadn´t a strong main story line beside the going home part and even that solution in the end was a bit to easy for my liking. I often thought maybe they should have brought the ship home a bit earlier and shown how the would all adapt back home. But that´s just me.
Having said all that, and please keep it mind it´s a personal opinion, I still never regretted watching Voyager. It is part of the Star Trek universe and for that reason alone I wouldn´t have missed it. But althought it is possible that I will watch other ST shows again in the future I´m not shure about Voyager.loading replies
@finfan I had a good time watching Voyager, it fitted perfectly with my real life since I was traveling a lot in that period (about 5 or 6 hours a day in my car) . When I went back home, during the evening, even if I was tired, one or two episodes were there for me. The main story, making a long journey to reach home, is a theme I really like and I felt like a part of the crew.
I decided to watch Voyager after completing The Original Series. Reading online the reviews of the fans, it seems I watched a completely different show. I really liked Chakotay, probably my favorite character. I wasn't impressed by the doctor: portrayed by a great actor, he is not so interesting as a character (fans seem to love him). Tuvok was a really good companion. I even liked Kes, she was fascinating to me. It was sad to say goodbye to her.
My favorite episode is probably "Resolutions", when Janeway and Chakotay are stranded in a planet together.
About the ending, you are right, and that's similar to other American TV Series. The conclusion is almost unexpected, like they had to conclude the series without a good warning and had only few episodes left to show the return to Earth. British series are usually better in that regard.
I need to watch The Next Generation, but it started with Q and I really hate that character. I know the series is great, overall, and your comment confirms it.
Review by FinFan
Interesting how there seem to be more negative reviews here than in the ones before whereas I think this was the best one of the series. Or maybe I´m just getting used to it.
Anyway, I´ve critizised the Abramsverse a lot but this one was a small step in the right direction. I would attribute this largely to the fact that Abrams isn´t involved directly in this movie. Yes, it is still more like blockbuster cinema but there is improvement. We finally get rid of that annoying lensflare and this is something new not just a twisted old story (althought the crash of the saucer on the planet.....nah, it´s allright.) .
Gone is the sometimes silly behavior and unnessessary stupid humor. There is one part of the movie I didn´t like and that was the part where to music kills the bees that is the kind of > let us do something cool < factor I didn´t like in the first two movies but the rest was really solid. Still not comparable with the old, and it never will be, but for now enough to convince me to give the next one a try.
As I mentioned before - even if those new trek franchise would do nothing for me it generated interest and, more important, revenue that led to another tv show. Here´s hoping that it will do well.loading replies
@finfan I watched it again with new eyes thanks to your comment and I liked it better. In my first view I wasn't impressed. I started watching Star Trek thanks to the Abrams movies then I discovered the original series, which showed us great interactions between wonderful characters. Too bad it lasted only 3 seasons. A crime to humanity.
Beyond reprises the concept showed in some episodes of the original series, the crew is lost in a planet and must find a way to get back home. The first part is amazing: the journey is long and probably boring, but it describes the life on a starship (probably similar to the life on "real" ships on sea, discovering new lands). The action in the second part is good but Abrams is a more experienced director for that. I like the new entry Jaylah and it would be nice to see her again in the next installment, but we didn't see Carol Marcus in this one, so I am not so hopeful.
I thought the Borg were a formidable foe until I watched this episode. It's impressive (and somewhat creepy) how quickly and easily Data can take over the Enterprise and leave everyone defenseless (or even simply killing everyone on board with minimum effort). Hacking Data must be quite the fun hobby in the future.
It's always fun to see Lore, but the whole "family reunion" thing was rather underwhelming.
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@finfan yes, Family was mostly about Picard, whereas Brothers felt like some sort of similar episode about Data. Unfortunately, the latter is nowhere near as emotionally engaging as the former. I absolutely loved the Borg on TNG, but where I feel they were truly watered down was in Voyager. They humanised them a wee bit too much by then (Seven of Nine being a partial example of it). They were definitely more ruthless, creepy and "raw" during TNG.
I guess I´m 30 years too old for this because all this gangsta behavior really annoyed me. Those brain-dead characters and all this crap talk destroyed the whole idea of the movie for me which is a shame because technically this was really good.
Furthermore I think that was Jackmann´s worst role and Weaver´s was rather insignificant. So I conclude they were casted to gain interest for the US market.
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@finfan "But this tried to hard to be Hollywood-cool." I never thought of it that way, but that does make sense and, as such, I can see why you didn't enjoy it as much as the other two movies (which I'm glad to know that you did enjoy).
I think Iron Fist is blocking its own path to become something better. Everytime I thought it was gaining ground they throw in stupid dialogue or dumb character decisions. Hell, part of the show even felt more like Dallas or Dynasty than a super hero show. And they really need to work on the way the action is presented. This all looked soft, you could easily recognize the rehearsed moves.
Netflix needs to step up big time for me to continue watching those Marvel shows for another season. With the exception of Daredevil none of the likes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, or this have left a mark. And I'm beginning to wonder, of all the characters Marvel has at his disposal, those were the best to center the shows around ?
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@finfan I still stand by what I said in the Luke Cage comments section: I had more fun watching this than that crap, to the point of maybe picking up its second season (if that's happening, I'm not sure). I was heartbroken to see you didn't like Jessica Jones (it had the most charismatic villain out of all Marvel shows, except for maybe the Kingpin), which is still my favourite Marvel TV show to date (I haven't watched its second season and I'm still missing quite a few seasons of other Marvel shows, though). Regardless, I'm getting quite tired of Marvel shows, in general, since there seems to be too much of them and a lot are based on less interesting characters, whereas DC shows aren't enough (CW shows don't count, as they're crap, Krypton is a travesty and Gotham, the best of the bunch by a loooong shot, will say goodbye to us all next year).
Ok show but at times overdramatized. Also the moderators (historians) seem to be easily impressed at times marveling f.e. in awe at a simple concrete wall. I sometimes wondered if they really were where there claimed to be. But it is still interesting to see the amont of construction that took place. That is really mind-boggling.
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@finfan agreed it's just sad that humans need conflict to innovate by leaps and bounds.If we could only work together worldwide on common problems we [mankind] would accomplish almost anything but it's all about the benjamin's baby.... specially during peace time.
