He's back ! Vader enters the picture and immediately the heat is literally turned up. One shot, one breath of him has more weight as ten minutes from the Third Sister.
I had not imagined that him and Obi-Wan would meet that early. And now we have the question of continuity. There has to be another meeting because that one could not have been what Vader was describing in Ep IV (with Obi-Wan being the Master and he the apprentice). Yes, those things matter to me. But as one-sided as the duel here was it had me on the edge of my seat. The lightsabers in the dark, the musical score, Vaders voice - that was an amazing sequence.
How on earth did Reva get past Leia ? There is one tunnel leading to where the pilot was waiting and she had to pass Leia to get there first. Yet she was there waiting, the pilot already dead.
All in all by far the best episode. Obi-Wan talking about Padme and his memories of his own family was another great scene.
Now I'm hyped.
I've never saw a episode so humanized. You can feel the pain from the villain and the heroes. And the long take (car scene) was the best of MCU until now - I didn't remember any long take, just saying.
If last week's penultimate episode was the show's dramatic peak, this finale is an elegiac send-off, with Mariko's loss really felt by all (and which Jarvis beautifully conveys that throughout). Sanada and (especially) Asano are really in top form throughout, especially during that cliff's climatic conversation. Great series.
That was seriously some of the best star wars i have seen TO DATE. PERIOD. BAR NONE. This show is fantastic!
how bright was the lightsabers my god. My oled tv and those lightsabes *chefs kiss
For the love if shit, people. Without the first 3 episodes we wouldn't have this episode. Without the first 3 episodes this one wouldn't be as impactful. It's storytelling and all part of a larger whole. Stop saying, "finally we're getting somewhere," or "this is what the show should have been from the start." Its a journey. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. Holy shit.
"Directed by Jonathan Frakes". Guest stars aren't always in front of the camera :)
Also, Charlize Theron <3
Up next, Natalie Portman? Besides the episode itself, guest stars are becoming something to look forward in "The Orville".
This show has turned up to be quite a pleasant surprise, it's undeniably very "Star Trek" at heart. It feels odd to admit that, as a Star Trek fan, I'm actually enjoying this more than "Star Trek: Discovery".
Naomi was super annoying in this episode...it’s like writer of her lines thought he/she was gods gift to the universe & wanted to preach through Naomi’s lines/scenes.
I got so nostalgic while watching this episode, reminiscing about Data and Tasha...
Already one of my favourite episodes from The Orville, this one was a beautiful take on the classic theme of love between a human and a machine. Where does the programming end and love starts? Truly an episode that will linger in our minds quite some time after watching it, there's a lot to think about.
On the downside of things, I was sad that we lost the chance of having Tom Selleck as a regular aboard The Orville.
They are, indeed, the weirdest ship in the fleet.
I've been enjoying this show quite a bit. The mix of sci-fi and Seth's kind of humor is pretty good imho.
In this episode though, I was severely annoyed by Dr. Finn stabbing Drogen - the guy hadn't done anything to hurt or threaten her, and she just stabs him, instead of knocking him out. Then he came at her with the knife and she shot him; that's more "fair", I suppose. Then later, she tells Ty to set the phaser (?) on stun, because "They may not value life, but we do." And she's the friggin' doctor!
If you didnt cry for Data, even if you saw what he was doing coming, then screw you bruh! The gang is back together for one final round, and if you don't get why that's awesome, get the fuck outa here!
Ok, so they mentioned Sisko very briefly in this alternate/mirror/parallel universe, so I'm hoping (but barely because I'm really a cynic) that either he, or Bashir, or Dax ffs will be "The Watcher" when they travel back to 2024.
Look, I'm just desperate for trek universes to converge, and if they're going to touch an already established fixed point (and 2024 IS a cannon fixed point), they had BETTER give Cpt. Sisko/Brooks his rightful due. We've seen/heard all the other primary Federation Captains in recent Trek shows and some of the tertiary ones, even Dukat and Martok have had honorary mention now! Come onnnn man! This is the time and place (pun intended) to put right the wrongs done to our beloved DS9 Captain.
I'm really not liking this show, and that's saying something as I absolutely LOVE Hugh Laurie, and cannot get enough of anything even remotely space/sci-fi related.
With everything else in this show that should help carry it, even the premise which isn't new but still offers interesting possibilities, the absolute worst part is the abysmal "writing". Can we even call it that ?
It's basically Avenue 5: a space improv' ... and I don't know anyone who likes improv'
In this particular episode they re-use the same tepid coffins orbiting the ship joke twice, and in next weeks previews it looks like they're gonna keep on beating that dead horse.
And where are the likeable characters ? Everyone is just annoying, so who am I supposed to root for if we end up hating every one on board ?
I'm just so frustrated and disappointed that they somehow managed to botch what could have been a really amazing show.
EDIT: Might have been looking at this all wrong, please check the other comments below.
am i alone about loving the ending? ( that kind of works like season or show finale ) .
"The Star Trek Without the Star Trek Within". Yes, silly title, it made as much sense as the episode itself (but, to be honest, Discovery does often feel like Star Trek without the Star Trek within). Well, at least they're gearing up for what it seems to be a fun (though most likely ludicrous) season finale.
The Borg will always be my favourite Star Trek "villain". They're ruthless, logical and rational (in their minimalist way) to the extreme, and pretty much scary as fuck (at least until Voyager soften them up, by humanising them a bit). I would always wet myself whenever there'd be another episode with the Borg, both out of excitement and fear. Of course, I was only a mere teenager back then. The excitement remains till this day, though. Last season's finale and this season's premiere made for some of the finest episodes TNG had to offer, in my humble opinion as a longtime fan of the show.
"An algorithm could write movies and TV shows!"
"Not well though...."
Well played, writing team, well played. :laughing:
The death scene was wild. So well done. I didn't expect the first death to be so crazy. Now, I'm extremely curious to see how the rest of them will be killed.
Likely in the minority here but I wish there was less sexual stuff and weirdness. It doesn't add anything really to the plot. The orgy music was on point though.
"...you haven't lived my life. You have the privilege of believing in what's best in people, me, I happen to know there are some things in this world that don't deserve forgiveness." - M'benga
...and he's 100% right. Shit, this episode hit so hard it set off my own PTSD.
Also, sure, everyone deserves a second chance, but only if they've owned up to what they've done and faced the consequences. If a person has changed or is working toward change, they'll accept that as a consequence not everyone will forgive them, and they'll respect other people's feelings (even if the feeling is hatred).
General Rah didn't earn forgiveness for his atrocities, he never owned up to what he did. Ortegas saw through his pretense, while M'benga and Chapel tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he was one stubborn and cowardly Klingon who ultimately deserved what he got, a dishonourable death. May he eternally face his consequences in Gre'thor.
oh my god ! this episode is so intense ! my heart beating so fast !!
Well, it was clear where this would go... still, really poignant episode, typical Star Trek. And the helpless anger in the end, knowing that this child is suffering beyond help, and that another one is being groomed to take over in the future, over and over again - well done.
Granted, children suffer now and in the ST-age... but voluntarily send a child to a life of suffering just that the others may live in luxury, no, there's no moral high ground to be found here. But a couple of questions remain, such as those ancestors who built the machine, did they leave plans behind? And why not relocate the whole population if the planet seems inhabitable without that machine? Was the former colony meant as relocation world once upon a time?
I guess, Kirk, especially Trek-09-Kirk, would have blown that machine up. Can't say I'd have minded much... even though I actually prefer the uncomfortable TNG-like non-resolution we got here.
You know, I think what Dee Bradley Baker does with his voice, Doug Jones does with his body -- that thing he does with his arms as he walks is so alien, and graceful.
That was such a satisfying episode -- the show could end now, and I'd be happy. But, i hope it keeps going (and, I hope they do more Short Treks)!
[Edited by me to remove political statement. My apologies to the group -- this is not the forum for politics.]
I've really gotta stop reading these comments....
The directors clearly think Naomi is the most interesting character, but she is absolutely the least interesting character and I abhor constantly being forced to watch her whine and flail.
White conservatives will hate it but this episode is true to the spirit of the original series. Tense with a message relevant to our times.
With every episode, the story gets weirder and weirder, and by this I mean really damn good.
Miller, Holden and Johnson are using the Mormon's ship to send the protomolecule into the sun. Talk about crazy plans.
On earth, Chrisjen is outplaying Mao and the undersecretary like a pro. Never saw it coming and it was glorious. She's airing out their dirty laundry and using them to help her do it.
Now WTF did the protomolecule just do? Move the whole space station with its's weird shrieking and avoid being destroyed? Yes it did.
Miller has turned out to be my favorite character. He pretends not to care about anything except what will get him through the day, but when push comes to shove, he is righteous, just and honorable, willing to sacrifice himself to save another, but also willing to make the hard decisions others are often unable to make becuase they refuse to see the darkness as part of the light.
Fav line: "The Mormons are going to be pissed."
I thought the Borg were a formidable foe until I watched this episode. It's impressive (and somewhat creepy) how quickly and easily Data can take over the Enterprise and leave everyone defenseless (or even simply killing everyone on board with minimum effort). Hacking Data must be quite the fun hobby in the future.
It's always fun to see Lore, but the whole "family reunion" thing was rather underwhelming.
The writing is great, you have a story that keeps you interested. You only get dripplets of information each episode. On top of that you have great action sequences. This show continues to improve with every episode.
The blush on the cheeks scene was a nod at The Simpsons: I remember Marge's mom telling Marge something like "whores use rouge, ladies pinch" ("ladies leech", in Disenchantment). There were probably more nods at The Simpsons (and Futurama?), but clueless as I am I was already lucky enough to find that one.
The humour is a little bit wonky at times (i.e., not working), but this first episode was mildly enjoyable. Definitely not a breath of fresh air (unfortunately), but I found it to be watchable. Honestly, after watching BoJack Horseman I can hardly find any other cartoon show entertaining, but I'm willing to give Disenchantment a chance.
These last episodes are blowing me away. I love it. Spock is starting to grow on me, his supportive behavior was great. Mom Burnham was cold at first but it was the only defense mechanisme to have when you see your child die a hundred times. In these final moments, she softened at last.
Not to forget the expectionnal acting all around, this series is taking it to the next level each season.
Sweet Goddess of Space Dogfights! This was an excellent action episode! Man, I was glued to my seat most of the time, petrified with excitement (is that even possible?)! I honestly felt like I was a teenager again, watching a thrilling episode of The Next Generation, with Picard doing his best to shake off the Borg menace!
I never thought I'd say this, but the lower budget on The Orville actually made the space battles feel more Star Trek-y than in STD.
Of course, like someone mentioned in the previous episode (I think), Isaac being a deus ex machina was pretty much a given, so no surprises there. What I did not expect was for the Orville crew to get in touch with their long sworn enemy to get them to join forces to battle a common enemy. That may have been an overused cliché, but it was still satisfying to see it happen.
This was a solid conclusion to what will surely be remembered as the most exciting two-part episode from The Orville.
