Walter needs to stop being so anxious in wanting to kill Gus. He totally deserved the punch and kick or two Mike gave him.
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@legendaryfang56 Can't blame him for being anxious though. It does look like Gus will end up killing him.
I really wasn’t a fan of Bjorn during this season, I have no connection to his character, so I really wasn’t moved by his death. I mean it was supposed to be this epic send off but it just dragged for me and it felt very flat. And honestly to say that Bjorn “was even greater than Ragnar”?! How? Yes, he was a beast of a man but I fail to remember any moment where I was really impressed by him or any of his plans/actions. He lacked Ragnar’s greatness. The only thing he succeeded in doing was unite all of Norway on his death bed, and they all answered his summons because he was a son of Ragnar! I feel the show failed to build him up as a truly remarkable character.
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The death that made me the saddest was Lagertha's
So Tom, who already tried to seduce Frank is bisexual but sleeps with Claire, who is straight and married to Frank who is apparently straight but enjoys gay sex and young boys.
Meechum must be spinning in his grave.
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@dinar-fontoura You said everything I wanted to say lol
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.6/10] This was my favorite episode of the series so far. I like how this one is tinged with regret for Picard, both professionally in how he feels like he's failed the Romulans, but also personally with how he feels like he failed Elnor. At the same time, I like that we get some of the counter-reaction here, with the local Romulans closing ranks and resenting the broken promises of the Federation and other outsider. Elnor's reaction to Picard, and their strained paternal relationship, seems like fodder for good and meaningful complexity in the show's relationships, so color me intrigued about where they go from here.
Unfortunately, the business on the other half of the show was terrible. Soji and Narek are a terrible pair, and their "spies in love, who don't trust each other" dynamic is limp as hell. Plus, what the hell is the deal with Narek and his sister. Why is the show going so strong on the bizarre incest vibes there.
But hey! Seven of Nine! Sure, the opening credits spoiled it, but she still gets a cool entrance and a badass line to join the show with. This is the first episode that left me encouraged about where we could go from here!
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@andrewbloom >quote Unfortunately, the business on the other half of the show was terrible. Soji and Narek are a terrible pair, and their "spies in love, who don't trust each other" dynamic is limp as hell.
Couldn't agree more with this. Hopefully that plot either concludes or ties up with Picard et al very soon. Aside from the plot being uninteresting and a bit naff, the characters themselves are rather meh; although I do like Peyton List. Furthermore, with Seven of Nine now being on Picard's half of the plotline, there's even less appeal in the spies-in-love plot.
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.6/10] This was my favorite episode of the series so far. I like how this one is tinged with regret for Picard, both professionally in how he feels like he's failed the Romulans, but also personally with how he feels like he failed Elnor. At the same time, I like that we get some of the counter-reaction here, with the local Romulans closing ranks and resenting the broken promises of the Federation and other outsider. Elnor's reaction to Picard, and their strained paternal relationship, seems like fodder for good and meaningful complexity in the show's relationships, so color me intrigued about where they go from here.
Unfortunately, the business on the other half of the show was terrible. Soji and Narek are a terrible pair, and their "spies in love, who don't trust each other" dynamic is limp as hell. Plus, what the hell is the deal with Narek and his sister. Why is the show going so strong on the bizarre incest vibes there.
But hey! Seven of Nine! Sure, the opening credits spoiled it, but she still gets a cool entrance and a badass line to join the show with. This is the first episode that left me encouraged about where we could go from here!
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@2ls1t Yeah, my one hope is that maybe once Picard and company interact with the characters on the Artifact, maybe they'll do better since they won't be stuck with the same faltering romance shtick? We can only hope!
Romulan Samurai Nuns are the best hand to hand warriors in the galaxy? Ever heard of Klingons?
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@lefthandedguitarist LBJ, House of Trakt, fiercely responds. - Qih jih in the arena tlhih puny pujwi'
After #Picard 1x06 I finally understand that Deanna Troi was really essential in TNG. :thinking:
Jean-Luc seems to struggle to register any emotional distress, even among his familiar entourage and therefore frequently behaves like an insensitive moron.
God bless counselor Troi for informing him all these years!My feelings about this show in general are still very mixed. But the start was certainly more promising than the recent episodes.
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@silrog When you remember the Picard from All Good Things, the way he's acting in Picard is not a real surprise.
[6.8/10] I really like the ideas here -- Soji's dreams being a way for her (and Narek) to get after the truth, Picard having PTSD and Hugh helping him recover, Jurati and Raffi each dealing with the after effects of what happened last week -- but man, the dialogue and the writing and even the performances just leave a lot to be desired. That makes it hard for even the best stuff in this episode to land.
But hey! We've got plot movement! Soji knows she's an android! Narek has pulled the trigger on his betrayal! Zhad Vash probably knows where the Synths are hiding! And Picard has found the other Data daughter and wants to bring her to safety! After so much setup, things are finally moving, so huzzah!
I just wish they could move without the 78th "hooray for metaphors!" shot of Narek's Romulan Rubik's cube, or Picard spelling out how the Borg are victims not monsters, or the other clumsily delivered versions of what are otherwise quality ideas for the show.
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@andrewbloom This was a good episode - certainly the back end was quite a thrill after Narek revealed his betrayal. I do think they need to veer away from relationship stuff, though. The Narek/Soji stuff was tedious and then this episode they randomly paired up Jurati and Rios.
I agree that it's nice to feel like we have some proper momentum at last. I'm also enjoying the Data substitute this show has in Elnor; his dynamic with Picard is fun.
[6.8/10] I really like the ideas here -- Soji's dreams being a way for her (and Narek) to get after the truth, Picard having PTSD and Hugh helping him recover, Jurati and Raffi each dealing with the after effects of what happened last week -- but man, the dialogue and the writing and even the performances just leave a lot to be desired. That makes it hard for even the best stuff in this episode to land.
But hey! We've got plot movement! Soji knows she's an android! Narek has pulled the trigger on his betrayal! Zhad Vash probably knows where the Synths are hiding! And Picard has found the other Data daughter and wants to bring her to safety! After so much setup, things are finally moving, so huzzah!
I just wish they could move without the 78th "hooray for metaphors!" shot of Narek's Romulan Rubik's cube, or Picard spelling out how the Borg are victims not monsters, or the other clumsily delivered versions of what are otherwise quality ideas for the show.
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@2ls1t You know, I hadn't clocked Elnor as filling the same role for Picard that Data once did, but you're dead on! Theirs is definitely my favorite relationship on the show so far.
One moment I am on the verge of stop watching (Jurati & Rios; likewise seeing Raffi swinging a bottle of whiskey around the bridge) and the next moment I am fascinated (Picard on the cube) by the writing.
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@finfan you've most certainly watched the whole thing, by now, so from that comment of yours I assume things do not get better. This is the first time in Trek history that the Borg part is awfully boring. I mean, the Borg, my favourite Star Trek villain... Boring?! Either they show up in their full, menacing form, or boredom it is.
I think we were expecting something special, due to the ties Picard has with TNG, but it seems that "nü-Trek" is all about conspiracy theories, drama, romance, more drama, even more romance, high quality special FX and lens flare. There are talks about a Janeway series, which got my panties all wet (my favourite captain after Picard), but after watching this one I can't be bothered to feel excited about anything Star Trek related anymore (just like you with Alien, I guess).
WTF, there’s smoking in space??? Nonsense.
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@roguescholar yay smoking again in the future. Love it.
[8.0/10] Easily the best episode of the series so far. I really enjoyed the glimpse we get of Will and Deanna -- happy enough that it feels like a nice grace note to their story in TNG, but with enough loss involved to make it something other than a wish-fulfillment happy ending for them.
But what I like even better is that this stop is more than just fanservice with some familiar faces. The show uses Picard's connection to his old officers, and Soji's budding bond with their daughter, to make the Riker family a bridge between Picard and Soji. Reminding Picard that he needs to be patient and kind to earn someone's trust and that fighting the good fight is what keeps him feeling alive, while Troi and Kestra show Soji that she has value regardless of whether she's "real" and that he can be trusted, is a really great way to use these cameos.
The Jurati/Raffi/Rios stuff back on La Sirena is a lot less successful. If nothing else, I appreciate the plot mechanics of Narek being able to track them using the pill Jurati takes in the flashback. But I'm still super confused as to the shape of Jurati's motivation here. I get that she's afraid of a Synth uprising thanks to the mindmeld, but why and how does that lead her to kill Maddox and what's her objective? It also feels a little dumb that Raffi and Rios don't really catch on. Still, there's intrigue in the idea that she's willing to go into a coma to try to detach herself from her Zhat Vash handlers now that she's having second thoughts.
The weirdest part of the episode is the Elnor/Hugh/Narissa stuff. The fight was pretty cool (even if I'm still tired of Narissa's hammy Bond villain routine), and the show piqued my interest with the quick rapport between Hugh and Elnor. But then why the hell did the show (seemingly) kill off Hugh five minutes later? It's another disappointing and abrupt end for a legacy character. (Justice for Hugh and Icheb!)
Still, the Picard/Soji/Riker family stuff is so good that it makes up for the other parts of the episode. Picard's scenes with each members of the family are great. His and Riker's dynamic in particular is so warm and familiar in the best way. And holy hell, Marina Sirtis gives her best performance in all of Star Trek here! The layers to her conversations with Picard and Soji are so good!
Overall, this one has its problems away from Nepenthe, but when it's at the Riker homestead, things are really good and nicely manage to make a feel-good TNG cameo into something more meaningful and relevant to this show's characters and the story at hand.
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@andrewbloom I get that she's afraid of a Synth uprising thanks to the mindmeld, but why and how does that lead her to kill Maddox and what's her objective?
Because Maddox is the only one capable of building another Android ? Jurati said something like "you haven't seen what I have" before she kills him. And her reasoning would be to prevent that by killing him. What I don't understand is where that vision of the future she got from the Vulcan comes from. How can the Vulcan see into the future. I think that's a hoax. And Jurati excepted it rather fast without questions. That is odd for a scientist.
[8.0/10] Easily the best episode of the series so far. I really enjoyed the glimpse we get of Will and Deanna -- happy enough that it feels like a nice grace note to their story in TNG, but with enough loss involved to make it something other than a wish-fulfillment happy ending for them.
But what I like even better is that this stop is more than just fanservice with some familiar faces. The show uses Picard's connection to his old officers, and Soji's budding bond with their daughter, to make the Riker family a bridge between Picard and Soji. Reminding Picard that he needs to be patient and kind to earn someone's trust and that fighting the good fight is what keeps him feeling alive, while Troi and Kestra show Soji that she has value regardless of whether she's "real" and that he can be trusted, is a really great way to use these cameos.
The Jurati/Raffi/Rios stuff back on La Sirena is a lot less successful. If nothing else, I appreciate the plot mechanics of Narek being able to track them using the pill Jurati takes in the flashback. But I'm still super confused as to the shape of Jurati's motivation here. I get that she's afraid of a Synth uprising thanks to the mindmeld, but why and how does that lead her to kill Maddox and what's her objective? It also feels a little dumb that Raffi and Rios don't really catch on. Still, there's intrigue in the idea that she's willing to go into a coma to try to detach herself from her Zhat Vash handlers now that she's having second thoughts.
The weirdest part of the episode is the Elnor/Hugh/Narissa stuff. The fight was pretty cool (even if I'm still tired of Narissa's hammy Bond villain routine), and the show piqued my interest with the quick rapport between Hugh and Elnor. But then why the hell did the show (seemingly) kill off Hugh five minutes later? It's another disappointing and abrupt end for a legacy character. (Justice for Hugh and Icheb!)
Still, the Picard/Soji/Riker family stuff is so good that it makes up for the other parts of the episode. Picard's scenes with each members of the family are great. His and Riker's dynamic in particular is so warm and familiar in the best way. And holy hell, Marina Sirtis gives her best performance in all of Star Trek here! The layers to her conversations with Picard and Soji are so good!
Overall, this one has its problems away from Nepenthe, but when it's at the Riker homestead, things are really good and nicely manage to make a feel-good TNG cameo into something more meaningful and relevant to this show's characters and the story at hand.
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@finfan Yeah, I suppose that's plausible. She just goes from "I'm a regular timid scientist" to "I'm ready to kill the man I love" pretty quickly, and the show leaves her specific reasons to subtext. I'm not opposed to that necessarily (lord knows that otherwise the series often has its characters straight up announce their motivations) but this seems like an area in which more clarity would be helpful. Maybe we'll get that in the next few weeks. (Coma flashback episode anyone?)
Re: the future vision, my theory is that Commodore Oh is really a Romulan operating on behalf of Zhat Vash, and the vision she gives to Jurati is, at best, what Zhat Vash fears will happen if the Synths rise up and, at worst, a total fabrication just meant to scare her to the point that they can use for their own ends.
[8.0/10] Easily the best episode of the series so far. I really enjoyed the glimpse we get of Will and Deanna -- happy enough that it feels like a nice grace note to their story in TNG, but with enough loss involved to make it something other than a wish-fulfillment happy ending for them.
But what I like even better is that this stop is more than just fanservice with some familiar faces. The show uses Picard's connection to his old officers, and Soji's budding bond with their daughter, to make the Riker family a bridge between Picard and Soji. Reminding Picard that he needs to be patient and kind to earn someone's trust and that fighting the good fight is what keeps him feeling alive, while Troi and Kestra show Soji that she has value regardless of whether she's "real" and that he can be trusted, is a really great way to use these cameos.
The Jurati/Raffi/Rios stuff back on La Sirena is a lot less successful. If nothing else, I appreciate the plot mechanics of Narek being able to track them using the pill Jurati takes in the flashback. But I'm still super confused as to the shape of Jurati's motivation here. I get that she's afraid of a Synth uprising thanks to the mindmeld, but why and how does that lead her to kill Maddox and what's her objective? It also feels a little dumb that Raffi and Rios don't really catch on. Still, there's intrigue in the idea that she's willing to go into a coma to try to detach herself from her Zhat Vash handlers now that she's having second thoughts.
The weirdest part of the episode is the Elnor/Hugh/Narissa stuff. The fight was pretty cool (even if I'm still tired of Narissa's hammy Bond villain routine), and the show piqued my interest with the quick rapport between Hugh and Elnor. But then why the hell did the show (seemingly) kill off Hugh five minutes later? It's another disappointing and abrupt end for a legacy character. (Justice for Hugh and Icheb!)
Still, the Picard/Soji/Riker family stuff is so good that it makes up for the other parts of the episode. Picard's scenes with each members of the family are great. His and Riker's dynamic in particular is so warm and familiar in the best way. And holy hell, Marina Sirtis gives her best performance in all of Star Trek here! The layers to her conversations with Picard and Soji are so good!
Overall, this one has its problems away from Nepenthe, but when it's at the Riker homestead, things are really good and nicely manage to make a feel-good TNG cameo into something more meaningful and relevant to this show's characters and the story at hand.
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@andrewbloom once again, I gotta agree with you! This was a really well used cameo and it was so wonderful to have Picard reunited with Riker and Troi. If it had been a bottle episode on the Riker homestead then I would have given the episode a 9.
I quite enjoy the Bond-villain styling of Narissa but I agree it's a great shame they killed off Hugh so soon. Maybe I was reading way too much into the subtext since I'm part of the community myself, but I almost got an attraction/potential romance vibe between Elnor and Hugh. Either way, that's been killed off, too, lol.
If they're planning on killing another character off soon, I hope it's Narek - I find the actor quite wooden/irritating.
[8.0/10] Easily the best episode of the series so far. I really enjoyed the glimpse we get of Will and Deanna -- happy enough that it feels like a nice grace note to their story in TNG, but with enough loss involved to make it something other than a wish-fulfillment happy ending for them.
But what I like even better is that this stop is more than just fanservice with some familiar faces. The show uses Picard's connection to his old officers, and Soji's budding bond with their daughter, to make the Riker family a bridge between Picard and Soji. Reminding Picard that he needs to be patient and kind to earn someone's trust and that fighting the good fight is what keeps him feeling alive, while Troi and Kestra show Soji that she has value regardless of whether she's "real" and that he can be trusted, is a really great way to use these cameos.
The Jurati/Raffi/Rios stuff back on La Sirena is a lot less successful. If nothing else, I appreciate the plot mechanics of Narek being able to track them using the pill Jurati takes in the flashback. But I'm still super confused as to the shape of Jurati's motivation here. I get that she's afraid of a Synth uprising thanks to the mindmeld, but why and how does that lead her to kill Maddox and what's her objective? It also feels a little dumb that Raffi and Rios don't really catch on. Still, there's intrigue in the idea that she's willing to go into a coma to try to detach herself from her Zhat Vash handlers now that she's having second thoughts.
The weirdest part of the episode is the Elnor/Hugh/Narissa stuff. The fight was pretty cool (even if I'm still tired of Narissa's hammy Bond villain routine), and the show piqued my interest with the quick rapport between Hugh and Elnor. But then why the hell did the show (seemingly) kill off Hugh five minutes later? It's another disappointing and abrupt end for a legacy character. (Justice for Hugh and Icheb!)
Still, the Picard/Soji/Riker family stuff is so good that it makes up for the other parts of the episode. Picard's scenes with each members of the family are great. His and Riker's dynamic in particular is so warm and familiar in the best way. And holy hell, Marina Sirtis gives her best performance in all of Star Trek here! The layers to her conversations with Picard and Soji are so good!
Overall, this one has its problems away from Nepenthe, but when it's at the Riker homestead, things are really good and nicely manage to make a feel-good TNG cameo into something more meaningful and relevant to this show's characters and the story at hand.
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@2ls1t I totally read Elnor and Hugh as something romantic, which would be a really interesting way to take things, not just for the representation angle, but for the idea that they'd have common ground as unique members of hated groups. Frankly, it really frustrated me that the show introduced that intriguing element only to squelch it with an unnecessary death five minutes later.
I also would not mind Narek getting killed off. I agree that he's not very good on the show (though that may just be the writing). That said, I think it's far more likely that he has a change of heart thanks to his affection for Soji and ends up turning on his sister and defending Soji against Zhat Vash.
I certainly enjoyed the coming together of Picard, Riker and Troi. Those were great scenes. At the same time it showed me again I care less about the new characters. And how is this for people who don't know TNG ?
The revelation that Jurati was planted was no surprise as I suspected that from the beginning. A Vulcan forcing a mind meld was a surprise and I wonder where the information about that future comes from. Was it just a trick to lure Jurati in ? Or will there be some form of time travel involved ? I would have hoped Jurati would kill herself instead of just putting her into a coma.
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@finfan "And how is this for people who don't know TNG?" I'm one of those people. I've never watched Star Trek before and I still agree with you. The chemistry between Picard, Riker and Troi made me care more for them than for the new characters.
I certainly enjoyed the coming together of Picard, Riker and Troi. Those were great scenes. At the same time it showed me again I care less about the new characters. And how is this for people who don't know TNG ?
The revelation that Jurati was planted was no surprise as I suspected that from the beginning. A Vulcan forcing a mind meld was a surprise and I wonder where the information about that future comes from. Was it just a trick to lure Jurati in ? Or will there be some form of time travel involved ? I would have hoped Jurati would kill herself instead of just putting her into a coma.
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but nostalgia wins the day on this one.
True words, my friend. Nostalgia is mostly the only reason why I'm still watching this show, hoping for more yummy TNG cameos... I wonder if Beverly will show up and rekindle the crush I had on her? Teehee!
I certainly enjoyed the coming together of Picard, Riker and Troi. Those were great scenes. At the same time it showed me again I care less about the new characters. And how is this for people who don't know TNG ?
The revelation that Jurati was planted was no surprise as I suspected that from the beginning. A Vulcan forcing a mind meld was a surprise and I wonder where the information about that future comes from. Was it just a trick to lure Jurati in ? Or will there be some form of time travel involved ? I would have hoped Jurati would kill herself instead of just putting her into a coma.
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@misnomer So, there is another thing we have in common. A crush on the Doctor :blush:
I certainly enjoyed the coming together of Picard, Riker and Troi. Those were great scenes. At the same time it showed me again I care less about the new characters. And how is this for people who don't know TNG ?
The revelation that Jurati was planted was no surprise as I suspected that from the beginning. A Vulcan forcing a mind meld was a surprise and I wonder where the information about that future comes from. Was it just a trick to lure Jurati in ? Or will there be some form of time travel involved ? I would have hoped Jurati would kill herself instead of just putting her into a coma.
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@finfan Eheh! Everyone used to drool over Seven of Nine and I was just there, missing my dear Beverly Crusher, at the time... You and I, we know the good stuff ;)
Beginning to put together a list of spin-off shows we need:
Star Trek: Laris
Star Trek: Seven and the Fenris Rangers
Star Trek: Elnor the Space Elf
Star Trek: Kestraloading replies
@lefthandedguitarist here's another vote for Star Trek: Elnor the Space Elf!
They could have left out a good chunk of the episode. But right towards the end, when they all started to work together, that felt like Star Trek. Putting the big picture in front of you and not your personal gains. Helping those who need help.
I don't care if that sounds nostalgic, if people say "this is a different time, a different Star Trek". If it says Star Trek it should adhere to those philosophies.
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@finfan It's not exactly the same, but that closing conversation around the table felt like the modern extrapolation of all those TNG boardroom scenes with the senior officers. Granted, it was also an excuse for the show to deliver a lot of exposition in a really convenient way, but still, nice to see everyone together and on the same page like that!
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VIPEP6WE ARE BORG.
Those words, spoken by a thousand voices, as one, froze me on my seat. The best part of this episode, by far, was the return of the fierce, overpowering, ominous Borg... Even if only for a couple of seconds. Now, that's the kind of fanservice I like! And the thought of Seven of Nine as a new Borg Queen... Hmmmm! Delicious! Though I like her the way she is. Too bad what happened right after the return of the Borg, though... So frustrating!
Also, would the Borg really be dumb enough to leave behind a broken cube so that other species could salvage it and learn from it about the Borg, maybe even their weaknesses? Or maybe the Borg consider themselves to be so advanced, perfect and powerful that they don't really give a damn about anything that "inferior" species may be doing about them.
The more I watch this show, the more it feels that they nerfed Picard. Or maybe it's just old age that caught up with him. Either way, that's a captain without his mojo.
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@misnomer Interesting argument about the Borg. I'm not sure I'd say they are dumb but they were already much weaker back in TNG and VOY days. And this is a couple decades into the future and it wasn't really established (or at least I don't remember) the state the Borg are in. In general I'd say people were not so much afraid of them.
But the scene with Seven, that was chilling. But also, like you said, frustrating. And that is my main beef with the show. They build up great moments only to stamp them into the ground the next minute.
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VIPEP6WE ARE BORG.
Those words, spoken by a thousand voices, as one, froze me on my seat. The best part of this episode, by far, was the return of the fierce, overpowering, ominous Borg... Even if only for a couple of seconds. Now, that's the kind of fanservice I like! And the thought of Seven of Nine as a new Borg Queen... Hmmmm! Delicious! Though I like her the way she is. Too bad what happened right after the return of the Borg, though... So frustrating!
Also, would the Borg really be dumb enough to leave behind a broken cube so that other species could salvage it and learn from it about the Borg, maybe even their weaknesses? Or maybe the Borg consider themselves to be so advanced, perfect and powerful that they don't really give a damn about anything that "inferior" species may be doing about them.
The more I watch this show, the more it feels that they nerfed Picard. Or maybe it's just old age that caught up with him. Either way, that's a captain without his mojo.
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@finfan I still have that image of the mighty, frightening and unbeatable Borg in my mind, but maybe their story developed to a point where they're not considered to be a significant threat, anymore. Though I'm pretty sure they gave Janeway a lot of hell in Voyager... But my memory fails to recall what happened during First Contact (which is, ironically, probably my favourite Trek movie, yet my memory isn't what it used to be).
Still processing what I've just watched. Satisfied ? Can't say I am.
It would have been better had Picard really died. And I mean that with all the respect and love I have for the character and the actor. What sense does it make to have an emotional last scene and even showing how they all deal with his death and then, è voila, he's back. Then come up with a bunch of explanations why he's still old and why he will die because, that's clearly what he wants. I know he wasn't about to die with a second season already confirmed (althought right now I think it will be a long time before that happens) or that someone else would play a younger version of him (Tom Hardy, anyone ?).
The battle between the Romulans and the flowers really looked awesome but the stand-off with the Federation was a bit of an overkill. To many ships for a TV screen, they were literally just dots. A little bit too much of a wow-factor. And, like the cavalry always does, they arrived in the nick of time. The whole solution of all the problems presented at this point was to easy as everything just conveniently falls into place. They get into the compound, Soong sees the memory and has a little thingy to just shut Sutra down. I expected a little bit more creativity.
All bad then ? No. The scenes between Picard and Data were really great for an old time TNG fan. And even the conversion Picard had with Jurati (who ultimately redeemed herself) about what it means to live - I liked that very much and would have loved to see more of that in general.
The whole story itself would have been great for a 2 1/2 hour (final) TNG movie. Because that is what it felt like in the end. It tries to appeal to a larger audience while using the lore but ignoring the Vision of Star Trek.
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@finfan your last sentence summed this all pretty nicely. And I knew you'd mention that chat between Picard and Data. A wonderful moment in a rather forgetful show.
Still processing what I've just watched. Satisfied ? Can't say I am.
It would have been better had Picard really died. And I mean that with all the respect and love I have for the character and the actor. What sense does it make to have an emotional last scene and even showing how they all deal with his death and then, è voila, he's back. Then come up with a bunch of explanations why he's still old and why he will die because, that's clearly what he wants. I know he wasn't about to die with a second season already confirmed (althought right now I think it will be a long time before that happens) or that someone else would play a younger version of him (Tom Hardy, anyone ?).
The battle between the Romulans and the flowers really looked awesome but the stand-off with the Federation was a bit of an overkill. To many ships for a TV screen, they were literally just dots. A little bit too much of a wow-factor. And, like the cavalry always does, they arrived in the nick of time. The whole solution of all the problems presented at this point was to easy as everything just conveniently falls into place. They get into the compound, Soong sees the memory and has a little thingy to just shut Sutra down. I expected a little bit more creativity.
All bad then ? No. The scenes between Picard and Data were really great for an old time TNG fan. And even the conversion Picard had with Jurati (who ultimately redeemed herself) about what it means to live - I liked that very much and would have loved to see more of that in general.
The whole story itself would have been great for a 2 1/2 hour (final) TNG movie. Because that is what it felt like in the end. It tries to appeal to a larger audience while using the lore but ignoring the Vision of Star Trek.
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@misnomer ...a rather forgetful show
Until now I hadn't seen it that harsch. But I have to agree. I probably will watch the season again before the second starts to get up to speed again. Right now I'm not as eager for that to happen as I was before season one.
Raffi and Seven all of a sudden interlocking hands at the end as if they've a budding relationship was a complete WTF and 100% unearned. There's been no indication that Seven or Raffi are bisexual. If anything, I was half-expecting Seven and Rios to kiss after Picard's death. Have Raffi and Seven even shared much screentime??
It feels like lame pandering - if the show wanted to include an LGBT relationship (which would be great), I'd rather they had explored the hinted at attraction between Elnor and Hugh before the latter's untimely demise.
Beyond all that, this finale was weak and a disappointing end to the first season. Above all else, I hope that's the last we've seen of Narek.
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@2ls1t Nah you just weren't paying close enough attention, rewatch the 5th episode. I agree that it kind of came as a "wtf" moment but the hints, although very subtle, were there. It definitely seemed like Seven had a relationship with the woman she wanted to kill and I remember a scene where her and Seven kind of exchanged a glance. Honestly there just wasn't time for it in the larger picture, but it didn't come completely out of left field.
Raffi and Seven all of a sudden interlocking hands at the end as if they've a budding relationship was a complete WTF and 100% unearned. There's been no indication that Seven or Raffi are bisexual. If anything, I was half-expecting Seven and Rios to kiss after Picard's death. Have Raffi and Seven even shared much screentime??
It feels like lame pandering - if the show wanted to include an LGBT relationship (which would be great), I'd rather they had explored the hinted at attraction between Elnor and Hugh before the latter's untimely demise.
Beyond all that, this finale was weak and a disappointing end to the first season. Above all else, I hope that's the last we've seen of Narek.
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@2ls1t I don't mind it as a tease. There were strong "jilted lover" overtones between Seven and the crime lord in "Stardust City Rag," and similar implications when Rafi was asking her old buddy for diplomatic clearance when they got to the Artifact. But if they don't actually explore the relationship in a meaningful way in s2, that tease will feel really cheap. (And I agree, I couldn't believe they nicely set up Elnor and Hugh like that only to kill Hugh off two minutes later.)
Raffi and Seven all of a sudden interlocking hands at the end as if they've a budding relationship was a complete WTF and 100% unearned. There's been no indication that Seven or Raffi are bisexual. If anything, I was half-expecting Seven and Rios to kiss after Picard's death. Have Raffi and Seven even shared much screentime??
It feels like lame pandering - if the show wanted to include an LGBT relationship (which would be great), I'd rather they had explored the hinted at attraction between Elnor and Hugh before the latter's untimely demise.
Beyond all that, this finale was weak and a disappointing end to the first season. Above all else, I hope that's the last we've seen of Narek.
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@andrewbloom yup. As you say, it'll ultimately be down to how (well) they handle the relationship in season 2 as to how cheap this throw away, last minute visual really was.
I keep wondering how horny she is and then i remember how i would be almost touching myself over hot actors lmao
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@kim990-deleted-1606336906 Best coment ever sad she deleted her account xD
honestly now i wanna masturbate thinking about Eric like she did in the pilot:sob: He is just so yummy
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@zoe-median-deleted-1606336915 XD best comment ever
