what's does being a transgender woman have to do with this story???????? this show has lost my interest
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@lordmillion You say it like it was made into a whole plot or something. It was just a line.
The scene in the airplane was one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen on tv. And what’s with all this adoption agency nonsense.
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@minibutmighty They/the show was kinda self aware of that ridiculousness with Snakes on a plane reference, that was a nice touch.
This episode would have worked better in an earlier season. In this one it was out of place, especially with the characters involved.
Felicity was annoying as ever... If she was in my interrogation room I'd have taken out the Yellow Pages quite quickly.
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@mansemat: She's pregnant, dude.
Flight 000 to love triangle land will begin boarding now. LOL
Also, Cal, net time you gotta leave, just draw and hide a full on map for Olive to find in your top-secret twin hidey hole. Or better yet, just tell your dad and have him take you.
And how convenient was that drawing of Ben, Mic and Grace looking at a drawing? No better way to override mom's scepticism and convince her to jump on board the crazy conspiracy/super abilities/maybepossiblyaliens train!
It's getting on my nerves that instead of getting answers, more questions keep popping up. Like for instance, if Zeke disappeared in december 2017, how was he gone for two years? I thought the show is set in our current time, which would mean they found him in dec-18 or jan-19, right? And that would mean he lost one year, not two (not one of the actual questions, but the not adding up bothered me).
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It’s one year. The present is still 2018 on the show.
@datbabyaintmine Wrong episode, but me too, it was funny as hell.
That was a pretty decent Russian accent. I like Kaznia Kara.
Not sure where to rate this episode- I sort of feel in the middle on this one, between a good and a great. While I loved the Red Daugher, I couldn't get rid of the feeling that they were rewriting this plot as it was happening.
And of course Lex knows Supergirl's identity- but how?
Maybe we'll get really, really lucky and it will turn out Eve was working for Lena this whole time. Although...why would Lena keep Red Daughter a secret from Alex or Supergirl? thats why i say "really really" lucky.
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In most versions of Lex know Superman's identity. If knows that then he knows hers.
Another exquisitely curated episode. Really impressed with this season.
So, earlier in the episode, Margot explained, rather eloquently, how when someone in her station sleeps with someone like Josh, it's normal for him to be a bit stir-crazy about the whole thing. then one hour later, she's saying she's gonna marry him. I mean, okay, I do have some personal bias here, because Josh reminds me of someone sketchy that I knew, and just basically everytime I see Josh, I want to puke, but I guess he's not a horrible character, I mean, not only can he cook, but he can see personalities from what people eat, which actually seems like a really inane pathetic skill-set to be honest, like, your whole view of people is so basic it's only metaphor is food, but it's come in handy once. Anyway, I guess Im in favor of them as a ship for the plot momentum, but I didn't think it made sense for Margot to all of a sudden be all weak about nebbish Josh. (Sorry to any Josh fans.) As much as I love seeing Margot be sensitive and bitchy, Well, I just kinda would like better for her, more like a straight hunky Elliot, but there's no other guys around so.. I'm sure there's a plot term for this... contrivance. And i'm sure she likes being the hot commodity in the relationship and they have history so I can almost buy her swinging but.... Whatevs.
That's all. Not labeling this comment as a spoiler because what I revealed was really trivial. Feel free to leave angry comments if you disagree.
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@dewdropvelvet Uuuhhh... But that Margo thing was just in Fen's dream :P
And about Josh, well, I think they're doing justice to the book character, a truly awesome guy with the curse of seemingly never being able to show how awesome he is.
This season is a slog to get through. Sherloque is the worst Wells. Even the moron with the drum sticks was better. Chris Klein is a terrible villain. After X-3 I'm surprised anyone was stupid enough to attempt a meta-cure storyline but the CW said "Hey Marvel, hold my beer"
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@redshirt I don't mind the "Meta cure" storyline. It's actually a storyline that's fairly realistic and makes sense. There's no way in a world of powered people destroying buildings and infrastructure someone wouldn't try to just find a cure to return them to normal human status. What I don't like is the whole "How dare you try to eugenics my culture" something that isn't a culture. It's especially grevious in Black Lightning where the girl doesn't want her powers and her father is raging at the idea of even trying to research how to stop them.
In The Flash, there's literally no reason not to try to put everything back to normal. Considering it's only been going on for about 5 years since the explosion. But the whole "Killer Frost is offended" part is the eye rolling part for me.
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VIP7How did it all go so wrong? Eobard went from ruthless calculated killer to relationship adviser in 5 short seasons. What a joke!
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This is EXACTLY why you shouldn't mess with the Timeline.
Now that Jace saw one teddy bear, he realizes mutants have kids too? Seriously? I just cant get into it with you Jace. Let's go back to season one and have someone show him that teddy bear sooner.
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That's how human psychology is though. It's enough to see one small thing to remind us of something bigger.
Did they really need to bring Karen back? she was completely unnecessary in this episode
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@abstractlegend And I disagree, she always jumps in when the heroes need legal help.
And she got her and Madani to see the morgue because she has history with creepy ed, Madani wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. This to get to know it was a setup which lead to Frank knowing he is not the same and doesn't deserves punishment himself. Also leading to him leaving from the hospital early.(He wanted to die from the syringe because he though he deserved it and wouldn't have left if he didn't knew this). From which point Karen isn't needed anymore as he's out of the legal reach she has. + she set off the fire alarms to let the others go undetected.
So, technology in this world is stuck in the 1950s but Strange managed to invent and manufacture a MICROCHIP and a Brain-Computer Interface??
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@erebos The show draws elements from different decades, according to the New York Times: "the ambience is New York in the 1970s, but characters use computers and carry cellphones. Their clothes could be from the 1950s. And the buildings... look more like edifices from the 1930s, or even longer ago". Some buildings are created by the visual effects department and inspired by 1800s London! It's very Gotham.
I so want to give an episode an 8, but.....but damnit if some element ain't missing.
I did like the last ten minutes. Russo having his panic attack in the street as bullets whiz by.
What did that girl (psychiatrist) think was going to happen? That they'd hole up and play house forever? As Russo said, he's not a house pet. She should get her rocks off sticking her hand in a door jam instead.
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@dewdropvelvet That psychiatrist needs a psychiatrist. She might be more messed up that Billy.
Emily x Emily? Now that was an unexpected surprised! And an emotional one, too. Emily had the husband Emily Prime wanted, and Emily Prime had the daughter Emily wanted. I was expecting some sparks with those two together in the same room, but I'm glad they came to an understanding.
I was sad for Howard when he stopped right in the middle of the Crossing, looking at both Emilies from each side... It really seemed he did not want to go back home. I still hope he'll find peace and comfort with his own Emily. But things are different, now, so let's see how that goes for our Howard.
Seeing Nadia and Howard Prime team up provided a last minute fun —albeit short — moment that Clare should be thankful for. It's a pity that Nadia doesn't seem keen on murdering people, these days. She was really good at it and I do miss her character from season 1.
After that origin story episode a couple of episodes ago, I truly enjoyed seeing together again the original members who found and studied the Crossing (and then became the austere and distant, but always watching, Management). Aaaaaand they're gone. Damn it! Mira had everything carefully planned, so she did get her way in the end. Will the Crossing be closed forever, now? Does this mean no season 3 for Counterpart? Only one episode left to find out!
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@waldner11 I really hope they got time to give us a proper ending (i.e., they knew beforehand this would be the last season). I don't watch many Starz shows, but I know they cancelled Ash vs. Evil Dead, though I'm almost sure they let Black Sails run its course on its own (those are the only two other Starz shows that I remember watching). Netflix does have a reputation for coming in the last minute to save shows in distress (Lucifer comes to mind, though that's one show I wouldn't mind it to have actually ended). Counterpart definitely deserves the last minute save, so let's keep our fingers crossed without getting our hopes up...
Good episode. I still can't shake the feeling that Raymond knows it's Liz or at least has considered it could be her. But I can see him being somewhat surprised once he finds out if he hasn't already. He probably won't care too much given the fact that it is Liz.
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The judge seems to like him more and more compared to her first appearance. I wouldn't be surprised if she's been working for him the entire time.
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Liz's sister needs to get a life. Red may be a vicious criminal but he's always finding joy in life, and he shares those unexpected pleasures with those around him, like when he offered that champagne to his new prison friend. Maybe his altruism isn't because of emotion but lazy sentiment, and maybe his agenda isn't really pure, who knows, but If the bratty sisters really were actually related to this Red, maybe they'd at least get their snubbed noses out of the air for long enough to enjoy something other than planning ways to hinder Red.
Red will likely forgive Liz when it's all over, but she's really straining the limits of forgivability, even by his standards of her, which are laxer for her than anyone else. Maybe she wants to test things, like daddy issues? I wonder where this new vigilantism about him on her part comes from. She's mad he had secrets? But did he ever really lie to her face and if he did wasn't it to protect her? I guess she has to further justify her husband's death, even though she did get revenge. She should wonder why Red treats her differently than her sister tho. I do.
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@dewdropvelvet Well after attempting to kill Mr. Kaplan (although her intentions were good), nobody can be 100% safe from red
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I read the first two books but not the third. I think watching this show may be better if you don't know how things pan out. Normally an episode where people don't have their powers would bother me, and if they didn't know who they were it would bother me even more, but this was done very well, with plenty of traction on all fronts. Plus their chosen identities were fascinating.
I like Marina's makeup. Purple lipstick, flashy eyeshadow, dangling hexagon earrings. All a good look on her.
Fog is trying to redeem himself and is letting Julia be part of magic. That scene with her in his office was touching. I like Dean Fog.
The only thing I wish I knew is the books description of the animals current plaything scenes with Quentin. Maybe I'll read those. In the past, the show has found ways to stay true to the multi-layered lathered-up descriptions in the books.
Loved how the horned God talked to Margot, calling her the "little boy high king."
May have graded a bit high on this one, but I missed the show.
Also: Dear person who went thru the first five eps here and gave them fake synopses: Alice and Quentin confront a dog? Dean Fog gets a new suit? Margot eats a muffin from Josh? I think you can do better. I did like Julia drinks schnapps, tho.
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@dewdropvelvet Just want to say the episode synopses are pretty much what NBC (NBC is a parent of Syfy) is releasing on their press site. They're being weirdly vague and nondescript with their synopses this season. I can't wait until Quentin meets a snake.
Don't know what Made this show becoMe this but it's been pretty laMe for a while now. It alMost feels like superhero Suits at tiMe having alMost every scene be soMe draMatic moMent but nothing actually becoMes suspenseful.
And what's with the 3 new people who keep doing the saMe thing over and over getting the saMe "what ya doing there" froM the other cast?
It's becoMing a chore to watch.
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@mansemat I see what you did, there! And now I can't think of a single word that starts with that letter so that I can play the saMe gaMe. Oh, wait...
I have a bad feeling about Jennifer. She doesn't seem genuine. Either she's working for someone else or she's working for Raymond. I don't believe she's simply someone who wants to know the truth.
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@legendaryfang56 I don't like her much either.. and I wasnt happy with how Liz was being. After all red's done, she's being ungrateful. How much clearer can he be that he has secrets he needs to keep? She should have told him about the DNA thing when he asked her what secrets she was keeping. She can't play on his level. Or maybe she can, but it's just not worth this "price" that's gonna hurt them both.
I am so sick and tired of Liz's treatment of Red I don't know if I can even watch this. Red has proven over and over that he would give his life for her. She is an ungrateful bag of crap. She is undeserving of Red's loyalty. I wish she'd go the way of her husband and die already.
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@anthoney65 You will not like what she does in the next episode, then. The sister is also a bad influence. Even Tom would have been like "Liz, are you sure you want to do this? Why not talk to Red directly?"
Good episode. This season is beginning to gel and it feels more like Heroes. It's definitely doing a much better job than the other imitation shows out there, like Cloak & Dagger, Runaways, and Titans.
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@kinky well not all cw shows are bad, I quite like the flash even its quite light stuff. and of course supernatural but sn is not a hero show :-D
titans so far every episode is good and I wanna see more, its bloody its dark, its interesting. no let's talk and always do the right thing stuff.
It's becoming more and more ludicrous with each episode. Rebecca's death was so stupid and felt like the writers didn't know how to handle the story there. The first season was so good, without too much teenage (stupid) drama. I know they are targeting the young viewers, but this season it's just too ludicrous too often.
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@eleon I like this season better than the last. In season one I lost interest by episode 8, then when I watched season 2 my interest got piqued. I don't find Rebecca hitting her head and dying to be too ludicrous. Convenient, maybe, just not that crazy. The guy coming to Laurens rescue was crazier. As for teen drama, I wish the underground could understand what the group was accomplishing- not run after Lorna and Andy, trying to stop them all the time- but I like seeing how different their lives are from each other instead of having all the mutants in one place.
This season is such a drag. No likeable characters left, everyone's just whining and doing nothing or exactly the same thing over and over again. Every episode is ctrl+c ctrl+v ―> mutants are sad, mutants go in the action, mutants fuck it up, mutants are sad. Plus ex-sentinel poor man's Vin Diesel with backstory we've seen million times before. I'm really disappointed after the promising first season.
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@laststardust he wishes he were ex sentinel vin diesel. He's more like a walking promo for clinical depression.
The worst thing I've seen from the DC universe. The script looks like a bunch of lost pages from other seasons. I'm impressed with how much effort they put into using the same actors as different characters and sometimes the timeline is super dangerous, other times fucked up like it's nothing. Anything is possible. They should've stuck with the Crossover instead of this mockery of an episode.
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@dinar-fontoura I think it's time for you to stop watching the show.
Hi everybody! just a thought... could be possible that the mysterious green arrow come from another earth or queen from past/future? maybe response in the crossover?
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I'm going with illegitimate 1/2 sister.
How can you blame Iris for something she will do in the future which she doesn‘t even know the context neither the reason
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@penderfoot You also cannot dismiss Nora's argument just because of how they are right now in the timeline, people change. We already saw what a few years of losing Iris did to Barry back in S3 who knows what Barryless Iris is like. Iris probably did it to prevent her from disappearing like her dad but we don't really know.
This show can be either fantastic, a complete boredom, or unbearable. This episode had a bit of the three of them. The prison scenes are completely badass and although I'd like Ollie to suit up real quick, I want to see that badass Oliver again. Btw, Ollie's prison buddy is totally gonna be bad at the end of the season. The dude was way to happy and thrilled to use the guard's family to threaten him. Also, "What's the plan? Beat him up? Torture him for info?" "No, we do it my way". Question here, since when is that not Oliver's way?
The flashforwards are on their own interesting enough. I'm dying to know what the help has happened with Oliver and Felicity anyway the hell is Roy doing there all alone.
I'd watch 42 minutes of Dinah and Laurel teaming up and being absolute badasses. Their scenes together were gold and they have great chemistry together. I loved how Laurel came back at the end to apologize for killing Vince (justice for him, lol) and how she wants to be good despite all the evil she's done. Also, trying to kill the DA is nothing new. I'm amazed as to how Star City manages to find new police officers and new DA who either end up getting killed or are inherently evil.
I started the season liking Felicity. Itlasted only 1 episode. How exactly does seething she's get Diaz? By whining at him u til he surrenders? I'm starting to count Felicity's fuck up from now on.Id hate if Diggle or anyone elsestarts making excuses for her, like-new always do. I mean, she almost got John killed and he apologized to her. Seriously, wtf?
Is it me order anyone else disconnect when Felicity and Curtis aretrying to magically hack something? I feel like if I paid attention, I'd just go crazy. Did they just hack a trip to separate the wagons?
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The scene where the two sonic cries dissolve the silence barrier was my favorite of the episode. Although that chick sure got up and ran away quickly.
Great episode once again! Besides te whole 'aliens are bad, people are good' stuff, which has been with us since the fish season, the whole episode was quite good. Those hate crimes they were commenting on the show need to be talked about, but to me, it's getting a little bit repetitive. It's as if they just picked up one topic only to drop it at the next minute but keep on talking about it.
The whole Kara trying to use her powers without actually showing that she's Supergirl was actually quite good and pretty funny. Lena's gotta be suspicious now. So Kara leaves the room and 5 seconds later Supergirl appears. Coincidence? I think not!
Silly me for thinking that this would finally be the episode when Lena found out Kara is actually Supergirl. They're seriously dragging it way too much. Now I'm not buying the whole Lena already knew. If she knows she wouldn't be all buddy buddy with Kara. But writers, please, just let her know. It's seriously dragging Lena. She's one of the most intelligent people in the world, yet she's still clueless about her identity.
I love Nia. I seriously love her talks. So passionate and warming. I love that she waited until it was necessary to mention that she's transgender. That's actually how people talk and I'm glad the writers went that route.
Also, something tells me that Nia went to that pizzeria for a reason and not just to get an expresso. Who goes to an Italian pizza place to get a coffee when there are dozens of coffee places near your office? Her scene with Brainy was totally worth it, though.I'm disappointed. If I'm not mistaken, Brainy ordered 12 pizzas, but he left with just 5?!?! Come on! I'm disappointed.
His relationship with Alex is starting to warm my heart. It's great to see both if the bonding. I'm really happy to see them growing up.
I wonder what Russian Kara is up about. I thought they might talk about it a little, but nothing. Guess we'll have to wait to see what happens.
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I'm disappointed. If I'm not mistaken, Brainy ordered 12 pizzas, but he left with just 5?!?! Come on! I'm disappointed.
Headcanon: They let him leave with the pizzas they had already made at that point, so they wouldn't go to waste. But said no to making the rest.
I, for one, will never be eating there again. One star on Yelp.
I hate stories like this. Tales of the Noble Racist.
"The Noble Racist wouldn't be so racist, but they just had all these good rational reasons to be."
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@echelon_four What's rational about his thoughts though? His dad wouldn't work with the new steel simply because it was foreign. Then there were alien attacks (similar to terrorist attacks irl), done by bad people, but the episode also showed the good aliens, like Supergirl and J'onn. The guy had plenty of opportunities to see the full picture but he chose to look where his dad had pointed him, like only seeing the bad in his house burning down without the part where J'onn essentially saved his family.
I hate stories like this. Tales of the Noble Racist.
"The Noble Racist wouldn't be so racist, but they just had all these good rational reasons to be."
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@echelon_four This episode is in no way a defense of racism.
It's Liberty's origin story. A story that shows how nothing is clear cut, how no one is 100% right or 100% wrong. Reality is too messy for a declarative good vs evil narrative. And this man's reality is that he wanted to be tolerant and take the high road... when everything was still going well. But as his comforts and security got slowly stripped away, he gladly traded that tolerance for an outlet for his inability to accept creatures that, while not the same species as him, have the same issues and needs as Earthlings.
I like how there was a brief moment when his actions got recited out loud and he looked as though he wasn't even sure if that was him they were talking about. He had never once stopped to take stock of himself since back when he was talking his own dad down from being the household racist. Even people with the best intentions go bad, even if their goals are something worthwhile (protecting his family and the people working for his dad's company). I can't even say with certainty that -I- would have kept taking the high road after seeing my family go through all of that, but at the end of the day how his "nobility" manifested into hatred is completely on him.
But of course, this is Supergirl and not some oscar-winning Sundance film. So by the time the episode ended, Liberty went well past expected norms for a person falling from grace and became a full-blown comic-book villain that we'll never be able to take seriously again. At least it was neat how they paid attention to time-sensitive details and got Alex's hair and everyone's outfits right depending on when in the story they were.
