I’m a little confused that Rorschach has been taken and used as white supremacy symbol.
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@bogdangastin sure that actually makes sense. Rorshach by no means was anything close to a white supremacist himself but if he was a real person meeting out violence left and right and always ending up right. That's exactly the sort of person that white supremacists would love. Unlike Ozymandias who was rich and unrelatable. Rorshach did things and you could feel him doing things.
I mean think literally about how police (in real life) see themselves as The Punisher in spite of the fact that The Punisher is literally a person who acts outside the law because he sees the police as incompetent. As opposed to Captain America which would make a much better symbol for protecting and serving.
20mins chase sequence in a 30mins episode. We know the main characters won't die , who are we kidding .
4/10
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@thebabayaga the chase scene doesn't start until almost 17 minutes in and ends at 27, making it 10 minutes out of a 31 minute episode, and part of that isn't even the chase, as ahsoka wards off the approaching fighters while their ship is down. it's really weird to me that so many comments here are saying the same 20 minute chase scene in a 30 minute episode nonsense, when it's not even approximately true.
Well done, Di$ney, you managed to glorify mental illness in an even worse way than Legion ever did.
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@erebos Thinking Legion glorified mental illness has to be the worst take I've seen, ever. Congrats man
OSCAR ISAAC SPEAKING IN SPANISH AT THE POST CREDIT SCENE !!! OMGGG
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@ahacovi well, he is born in Guatemala tho, so spanish is his native language.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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The episode is crazy good. I’m shocked. Glad I didn’t drop the show.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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@albertic0 Without those, this one would not have felt this great.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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@balazs955 exactly... it's all about the journey
But we only have woman’s in this show?
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@brunorendeiro All bar one main character in the original trilogy were male. Why does it suddenly matter when it's the opposite gender?
Too slow, too much staring, easy writing, typically mindless Disney plus garbage made for the twitter crowd. Nothing special.
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@whos_ur_buddha goddamnit dude, just stay away. No one’s cares for your shitty comments! It’s getting really annoying reading EVERYWHERE how stupid you think everything is, just because you are not able to understand it!
I have no relations to any of these characters and I find them very one dimensional and boring. The timeline also confuses me. This is supposed to be after the original trilogy but Ahsokas master is Anakin. Where were she during Ep. 4 to 6? And this is after her live action debut in The Mandalorian? Is it also after season three of that show? Before? All the questions is just piling on.
Well, I will most likely not watch the rest of the series (season?) before all episodes has dropped, if I ever do.
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This is set around 11~ years after Episode 6 and after Mando Season 2 and Book of Boba Fett
Ahsoka helped to form the Rebel Alliance prior to Episode 4 (Rebels), but it still hasn't been explained where she was during the original trilogy. She was involved in a lot of timey-wimey stuff toward the end
The final episodes of The Clone Wars show what happens to her during Episode 3. She was Anakin's apprentice during The Clone Wars but left the Jedi order when she was falsely accused of a crime
I really don’t get the hate. I think this show is great. Lots of stuff unfolding in this one. I like the slow burn.
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@gigantor Ignorance on what good story telling, acting, production and fight choreography is bliss
Still struggling to care about this one. Also a whole room of gods couldn't see what Arthur was really up to? Instead they were talked out of it by him saying that Khonshu's host had 'issues'. Bit wishy washy imo.
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@reiko_lj I don't think they're actually "gods". More like self-absorbed alien beings.
Underwhelmed am I after first watch. Why do they need to put the location of someone in an orb and hide it in an old temple? It's the STUPID sith way finder all over again.
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@sisdog I doubt it will be explained properly but the way I see it it's the location of a place in the outer rim where he disappeared. It could be some kinda special place, since we know of the mysterious circumstances under which he went.
For example some place where the space whales like to swim to mate at and Dathomir witches vacationed at, so they kept it hidden. Maybe even Ezra sensed there is such a place before he went.
So once Morgan Elsbeth investigated the details of how Thrawn disappeared, she knew what the place was, just not how to get to it.
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.5/10] Ahsoka feels right. The vistas of Lothal feel of a piece with their animated rendition. The characters seem like themselves despite shifts in the performer and the medium. Their relationships feel genuine even though much has changed in the five years since we’ve seen them together.
Maybe that shouldn’t be a big surprise with Dave Filoni, impresario of the animated corner of Star Wars, both writing and directing “Master and Apprentice”, the series premiere. He is the title character’s co-creator and caretaker. He is the creator of Star Wars: Rebels, the show that Ahsoka is most clearly indebted to. And he is, for many, the keeper of the flame when it comes to the Galaxy Far Far Away.
But it was my biggest fear for this show. More than the plot, more than the lore, more than the latest chapter in the life of my favorite character in all of Star Wars, my concern was that translating all these characters, and their little corner of the universe, to live action and a different cast and a different era of the franchise would make everything feel wrong. Instead, we’re right at home. The rest is gravy.
And the gravy is good. Because these are not the colorful, if intense, adventures of the Ghost crew fans saw before. This is, or should be, a period of triumph for the onetime Rebels. They won! The Empire is torn asunder! Lothal is led with grace and a touch of wry sarcasm by Governor Azadi, with none other than Clancy Brown reprising the role! Huyang the lightsaber-crafting droid is still around and has most of his original parts!
Nonetheless, our heroes are hung up on old battles and older wounds. Ahsoka Tano is on a quest to track down Grand Admiral Thrawn, who hunted the Spectres in Rebels. Sabine Wren can’t bask in the afterglow of victory as a hero when she’s still mourning Ezra Bridger. And the two warriors have some lingering bad blood with one another after an attempt to become master and apprentice, true to the title, went wrong somewhere along the way.
With that, the first installment of Ahsoka is a surprisingly moody and meditative affair, one that works well for Star Wars. Sure, there's still a couple of crackerjack lightsaber fights to keep the casual fans engaged. But much of this one is focused on familiar characters reflecting on what’s been lost, what’s been broken, and what’s hard to fix. The end of Rebels was triumphant, but came with costs. To linger on those costs, and the new damage that's accumulated in their wake, is a bold choice from Filoni and company.
So is the decision to focus on Sabine here. Don’t get me wrong, Ahsoka has the chance to shine in the first installment of the show that bears her name. Her steady reclamation of a map to Thrawn, badass hack-and-slash on some interfering bounty droids, and freighted reunions with Hera and her former protege all vindicate why fans have latched onto the character. For her part, Rosario Dawson has settled into the role, bringing a certain solemnity that befits a more wizened and confident master, but also that subtle twinkle that Ashley Eckstei brings to the role.
And yet, the first outing for Ahsoka spends more time with Sabine’s perspective. It establishes her as a badass who’d rather rock her speeder with anti-authoritarian style than be honored for her heroics. It shows her grieving a lost comrade whose sacrifice still haunts her. It teases out an emotional distance and rebelliousness between her and her former mentor. And it closes with her using her artist’s eye to solve the puzzle du jour, and defend herself against a fearsome new enemy.
This is her hour, and while Sabine is older, more introverted, all the more wounded than the Mandalorian tagger fans met almost a decade ago, this opening salvo for the series is better for it.
My only qualms are with the threat du jour. Yet another Jedi not only survived the initial Jedi Purge, but has made it to the post-Return of the Jedi era without arousing the suspicions of Palpatine, Vader, Yoda, or Obi-Wan. Ray Stevenson brings a steady and quietly menacing air to Baylan Skoll, the former Jedi turned apparent mercenary, but there's enough rogue force-wielders running around already, thank you very much.
His apprentice holds her own against New Republic forces and Ahsoka’s own former apprentice, but is shrouded in mystery. She goes unidentified, which, in Star Wars land, means she’s secretly someone important (a version of Mara Jade from the “Legends” continuity?) or related to someone important (the child of, oh, let’s say Ventress). And I’m tired of such mystery boxes.
Throw in the fact that Morgan Elsbet, Ahsoka’s source and prisoner, turns out to be a Nightsister, and you have worrying signs that the series’ antagonists will be rehashing old material rather than moving the ball forward. The obvious “We just killed a major character! No for real you guys!” fakeout cliffhanger ending doesn’t inspire much confidence on that front either.
Nonetheless, what kept me invested in Rebels, and frankly all of Star Wars, despite plenty of questionable narrative choices, is the characters. The prospect of Ahsoka trying to train a non force-sensitive Mandalorian in the ways of the Jedi, or at least her brand of them, is a bold and fascinating choice.
But even more fascinating is two people who once believed in one another, having fallen apart, drifting back together over the chance to save someone they both care about. “Master and Apprentice” embraces, rather than shying away from, the sort of lived-in relationships that made the prior series so impactful in the past, and the broken bonds that make these reunions feel fragile, painful, and more than a little bitter in the present.
I am here for Hera the general trying to patch things up between old friends. I am here for Sabine holding onto her rebellious streak but carrying scars from what went wrong, in the Battle of Lothal and in her attempts to learn the ways of the Jedi. And I am here for Ahsoka, once the apprentice without a master, now the master without an apprentice, here to snuff out the embers of the last war and reclaim what was lost within it.
They all feel right. The rest can figure itself out.
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@rivvvers So you didn't bother to read my write-up, but you did take time to comment on it? If you'd like to understand why I gave the score I did, might I recommend reading my review?
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@the_argentinian I didn't say there won't be another season. I just mentioned it could be the last. Favreau is already writing scripts for a possible 4th season. Those could be adapted for other shows I guess. But since it is official that it's no longer Din's show and the final scenes of season three hinting he's taking a step back, a possible 4th season could be entirley about Bo Katan.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@finfan I agree. I think fans hype each other up too much to a point that a movie or show can't top the expectations. This was a great episode, a bit short, but I would have liked to have seen a little tease for Ahsoka.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@the_argentinian Everything you said in your comment is false. I'm actually impressed.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@xander75 Maybe they aren't sure there'll be another season. I could absolutely see this being the end of this show with Mando making appearances in other creations that are yet to come. They already said he's no longer the focus of the show. And you know what, I think I would be OK with that.
Funny how now the Empire Remnant has a secret underground resistance against the New Republic. How the tables have turned.
This episode was way better in terms of storytelling but it left me very frustrated. I know that the Mandalorians are not likely to win if they want to keep the mythology. But just for once I'd like to see them come out on top. Gideon has become a bit ridicolous. He's the archetype of a bad guy. He was more interesting when he wasn't flying around as a Vader look-alike. I hate to see Vizla die but I should've seen that one coming because I really grew to like him. Grogu inside IG ? Come-on, he's a Force user. Despite the fact he choose not to train with Luke he still has the ability, no ? And we still must have a monster, doesn't we ?
Now, those are personal and, yes, biased points on my behalf. Like I said it was a great episode as such. In the end I see it as a win for the author if he invokes those reactions from me. There were also moments that gave me serious goosebumps. Like when Bo told them what happened between her and Gideon and subsequent how Din told her why he's following her. The talk about Thrawn didn't surprise me. I expected that pretty much from episode one forward.
Only one episode left and I hope there'll be some silver lining.
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@finfan I agree Grogu in the droid is forced, but I could not stop laughing when he was walking the city "yes yes yes yes yes"
Give Bryce Dallas Howard her own Star Wars trilogy already!! I have spoken.
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@mosdepo this is the way
Wish people would stop misusing the word "filler". It moved the story forward. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a filler episode.
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@felixgotrek The episode told us a more about the New Republic's amnesty program (like Jack Black's character being able to marry into royalty, but that they won't let them have a standing army) discussed how all Imperial products (including droids) would be destroyed if there was something wrong with them and they were decommissioned. We also got a scene where the droids tell us how they feel about serving other life forms in the galaxy.
It literally draws back on a few episodes ago (connecting it to the Mandalorian) and helped to connect it to the expansive Star Wars universe. A lot of this is showing us how the New Republic is running things (pretty harshly imo), which even draws back to the season 1 prison break episode when they blew up a place just because a beacon was there telling them to. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I was hoping Bo-Katan and the Armorer were going to kiss :heart:
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Nothing pointed towards it lol.
During the recap I thought: please, no. Not pirates again. But this episode really caught fire, literally as well as figuratively. It's beginning to go into the direction I'd hoped for with the Mandalorians.
Now, I wonder since Din still posesses the Darksaber could that become an issue again ? Or can Bo lead them without it now that the Armorer has spoken on her behalf ? And I'm certain it wasn't Mandalorians who freed Gideon. That's a ruse to blame them. Even with him escaping I'm still convinced there is a bigger fish in the water.
We can now safely assume that the ex-imperial is an operative for the empire remnant. I really like that Capt Carson gets a bigger role. He's a really honest guy.
And what do you know - Garazeb "Zeb" Orrelios. Another Rebels connection. Uhh, I like where this is going.
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@aeronmelon you're right. that is a real possibility. Hadn't thought about that but it really would be a shame loosing him.
During the recap I thought: please, no. Not pirates again. But this episode really caught fire, literally as well as figuratively. It's beginning to go into the direction I'd hoped for with the Mandalorians.
Now, I wonder since Din still posesses the Darksaber could that become an issue again ? Or can Bo lead them without it now that the Armorer has spoken on her behalf ? And I'm certain it wasn't Mandalorians who freed Gideon. That's a ruse to blame them. Even with him escaping I'm still convinced there is a bigger fish in the water.
We can now safely assume that the ex-imperial is an operative for the empire remnant. I really like that Capt Carson gets a bigger role. He's a really honest guy.
And what do you know - Garazeb "Zeb" Orrelios. Another Rebels connection. Uhh, I like where this is going.
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I really like that Capt Carson gets a bigger role. He's a really honest guy.
Yeah, that makes me scared for his life. Especially with Kane leering at him now.
: Mooey mooey! Come. Mesa rescue yousa.
BY: Dude, What are you saying? I don't understand.I don't understand why Bo-Katan is following these zealots. She is smarter than them.
Seemed they were training in the same spot when the first disaster happened. You would think they change place! :smile:
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@atlantis14 Bo-Katan is "following these zealots" because they are her people, if not her tribe, and what else has she got? Her home world has been laid to waste, her home and everyone/thing in it has been destroyed, she is alone and without purpose, adrift in a world very hostile to Mandalorians. Her life expectancy as anything other than a mercenary-for-hire (and even as such) would likely be very short. Her best chance of regaining some degree of inner peace/self-worth, and the respect of other Mandalorians, is to bury the hatchet and make peace with her kind. Assisting/saving Djin at The Waters of Mandalore, and insodoing redeeming herself of all sins and transgressions from The Way, has shown her that her destiny lies with Mandalore and the Mandalorians. "She walks both worlds", and now has a purpose - reunite the splinter cells of Mandos back into one, and rebuilding their society. This Is The Way.
So Grogu looked exactly the same when the Empire turned on the Jedi ? Still, that was a pretty great backstory scene.
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@jim222001 Don't forget the lifespan of these creatures. Yoda was 900 years old, after all. It's completely conceivable that Grogu has not noticeably changed in appearance throughout the entire duration of the First Galactic Empire - a mere 24 years. At such a slow aging rate and overall longevity, I doubt a human child would be noticeably different in a mere 24 years. :-)
In the previous episode, I suspected Cate being an accomplice, but the plot hole in this episode was that when everyone woke up wiped, she didn't have bloodshot eyes... Omitting that, feels like dishonest storytelling.
Also, why does Andre's voice change so much when he's using his power? Is that how he activates it? Or is that just his "angry" voice?
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@erebos she probably wiped their memory and then sent them to sleep, her eyes would've gone back to normal after a while
Am I the only one that doesn’t like Marie?
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@abstractlegend I like her, I appreciate her humble roots and goals, but I think they're making us dislike her for now so we can lover her more somewhere down the road. They're messing with her mind, she's very gullible, but she has her heart in the right place.
Then again, she could become the next Homelander.
The last time we saw Grogu, he was being carried off by Luke Skywalker to undergo training in the powers of the Force, and at the start of Season 3, he's just back with Mando again out of the blue. The only explanation we're given was, to paraphrase Mando: "He was away, but he returned to me." Huh? A weak explanation like that undermines and nullifies the entire premise of the last season, as @filmboicole pointed out (https://trakt.tv/users/filmoicole), and I can't believe more people here haven't mentioned that giant problem. I know Mando is the star of this particular show, not Luke, but Jesus, give us more than that - at least a few minutes of training and getting stronger with Luke and then a better explanation of how he got back to Mando since, as a baby, Grogu can't pilot a ship or do much of anything beyond use the force briefly, look cute and take naps. Needless to say, after finishing season two and anticipating where they would take the show after Luke appeared, this episode was disappointing in that regard. Otherwise, the action was good, but not much else happened. Mando is now on a mission to find the mines of Mandalore, bathe in the waters of such and such and get his honor back after taking his mask off several times the last two seasons. Again, there was no update on Moff and Pershing's experimentation on Grogu's blood, other than to learn that Moff has been sent to a war tribunal. So for people who just want to see the Mando, the baby and action sequences, this show was a win, but for people who care about the overarching plot and episodes, you know, serving some purpose toward that end, this was a letdown.
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@everythingafter just watch the last three episodes of the Boba Fett show for the reunion. Thats basically a mandalorian 2,5.
The last time we saw Grogu, he was being carried off by Luke Skywalker to undergo training in the powers of the Force, and at the start of Season 3, he's just back with Mando again out of the blue. The only explanation we're given was, to paraphrase Mando: "He was away, but he returned to me." Huh? A weak explanation like that undermines and nullifies the entire premise of the last season, as @filmboicole pointed out (https://trakt.tv/users/filmoicole), and I can't believe more people here haven't mentioned that giant problem. I know Mando is the star of this particular show, not Luke, but Jesus, give us more than that - at least a few minutes of training and getting stronger with Luke and then a better explanation of how he got back to Mando since, as a baby, Grogu can't pilot a ship or do much of anything beyond use the force briefly, look cute and take naps. Needless to say, after finishing season two and anticipating where they would take the show after Luke appeared, this episode was disappointing in that regard. Otherwise, the action was good, but not much else happened. Mando is now on a mission to find the mines of Mandalore, bathe in the waters of such and such and get his honor back after taking his mask off several times the last two seasons. Again, there was no update on Moff and Pershing's experimentation on Grogu's blood, other than to learn that Moff has been sent to a war tribunal. So for people who just want to see the Mando, the baby and action sequences, this show was a win, but for people who care about the overarching plot and episodes, you know, serving some purpose toward that end, this was a letdown.
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@everythingafter they didn't do a good job of explaining it, but yeah, the second half of the season for the Boba Fett show is literally the continuation of the plot from The Mandalorian S2. It is necessary watching BEFORE you watch season 3 of this show, as it literally covers so much stuff that happens with both Mando and Grogu prior to this S3 premiere.
