Of course, they MUST have pushed this leftist bullshit about humanity having an impact on the climate.
PS. NO, SCIENTISTS DO NOT AT ALL CLAIM AS IS SAID IN THE SERIES. Some scientists (who make a fortune) claim this, and anyone whose research undermined these theories was fired from academia.
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Of course, they MUST have pushed this leftist bullshit about humanity having an impact on the climate...
Or the butterfly inhabiting Song was lying about their motivations as a last-ditch attempt to get Chris's help to salvage the cow. But now we'll never know...
Minor plot hole, lol:
Why couldn't Eagly just fly up and get the Antigravity helmet especially after they tried to use him for that other one?
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I think we saw (with the first attempt to place the sonic-boom helmet) that Eagly isn't all that good at following directions.
I was kinda surprised to learn that she is an actual person/persona (and not a character Marvel made up).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Thee_Stallion
Undeads in Star Wars?! People should die for this blasphemy!
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Seems pretty consistent with Dathomir force powers. May seem weirdly out-of-place for viewers unfamiliar with the Dathomir witches.
[7.5/10] It’s frickin’ Anakin! Look, I fully admit that, as a teaser at least, this is total empty fanservice. It’s the kind of thing I tend to rail against. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t gasp a little when I realized that Ahsoka had washed up in the World Between Worlds. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a touch giddy to hear Anakin call his former apprentice “Snips.” I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t joyful to see AAhsoska turn around, say “Master?” and see none other than Sky Guy standing before her.
Is it completely and utterly cheap? My god yes. But it also totally worked on me, so I’m loath to complain.
Oh yeah, and there’s a bunch of other major happenings too. Our good guy force-users go toe-to-toe with the bad guy force-users. Huyang gets into some fisticuffs of his own. Ahsoka sort of dies. (Presumably she’s just out temporarily and will pop back to life once she goes on a spirit quest with Anakin). Sabine switches sides (again, at least temporarily/a little). Hera and Phoenix Squadron come to help. Morgan Elsbeth and her allies (seemingly) successfully launch themselves into the Unknown Regions. For folks who’ve been complaining about pace, some big deal shit goes down here.
But here’s my favorite part of it all -- a philosophical disagreement between Ahsoka and Sabine. If it comes to it, Ahsoka wants to destroy the map. Better to prevent Thrawn from returning and reigniting the war. But Sabine is unwilling to give up their only chance to potentially save Ezra, even if it means potentially allowing a villain to come back. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it’s a debate between fighting what we hate and saving what we love.
You can see both sides of it. For Ahsoka, who saw the fall of the Republic and the rise of the Empire, the commitment to stopping a formidable opponent like Thrawn from restarting it all is unquestioned. For Sabine, whose only family is Ezra, the possibility of stranding him and both being alone forever is unthinkable. There’s no easy answers, and how each feels is based on who they are, which makes the disagreement between them feel legitimate.
What’s more, we find out that Sabine’s family on Mandalore, whom we met back in Rebels, perished sometime between then and now. It’s easy to guess that they were obliterated in Moff Gideon’s assault. But regardless of the exact details, Baylan perceives that, at a minimum,, Sabine feels that it happened because Ahsoka didn’t trust her. The show has hinted at what caused a falling out between them, but this is the first time we’ve come to understand the root of why.
Not for nothing, I liked Baylan a lot here. His intentions are still rather cryptic, something that frustrated me about the antagonist in the Obi-Wan show. But he’s a legitimate foe for Ahsoka, one who paints her with the same brush as her former master, has lost his faith in the Jedi, and who seems to genuinely believe that unleashing the evil of Thrawn will somehow be for the greater good. Maybe it’s the writing. Maybe it’s just Ray Stevenson’s presence. But whatever the reason, he’s one of the cooler bad guys we’ve had in a while.
These are also some top notch lightsaber fights here. The weakest of them is Sabine vs. Shin, but even there, you have some intrigue that comes from the “Mandalorian tactics vs. Jedi tactics” showdown. Something about the unsteadiness but indefatigable quality of Sabine in the fight against a superior foe made me think of the ending to The Force Awakens.
But both of Ahsoka’s fights are pretty darn cool. I love the Raiders of the Lost Ark quality of Ahsoka’s fight with Marrok, where he goes wild with his Inquisitor blade, only to get sliced by Ahsoka with a single slash. Plus what the hell is he! The mist escaping from his suit with an odd shriek just raises more questions!
The piece de resistance, though, is the fight between Ahsoka and Baylan. There’s a level of control, a steady mastery between them that’s evident which makes their skirmish aces. It’s not the frantic slinging of blades, but rather a more controlled duel, that steadily devolves into wilder tactics as the stalemate becomes shaky, and the goal to retrieve the map becomes more important. The intervention of both these masters’ apprentices hits the right notes, and provides an excuse for why Ahsoka is bested.
The most fascinating part may be the way Baylan talks down Sabine from destroying the map. There is a very Palpatine quality to his temptation of Lady Wren, right down to a meaningful utterance of “Do it.” like Palpy, he plays on the emotional wants of his quarry, manipulating her based on her attachment to Ezra in a way that gives the bad guys the key to achieving their goal, so long as she can come along for the ride and perhaps save her dear friend in the process. Much of the show to date has been a battle for Sabine’s soul in one form or another, and seeing this latest shift marks a major, probably regrettable, but certainly understandable turning point for her.
Otherwise, it’s nice to see Ahsoka pulling the trigger on some big things after three episodes of setup. The confrontation between Hera (in the Ghost, no less!) and Phoenix Squadron versus Morgan’s massive hyperspace launcher comes with cool visuals, and young Jacen giving us the closest thing we get to an “I have a bad feeling about this.” Major shit goes down, and it’s easy to salivate over what comes next.
First and foremost though, it means a reunion, however temporary, between Ahsoka and Anakin, presumably with advice on training a recalcitrant apprentice, an earned return to the world of the living, and stars willing, some measure of peace and certainty in where to go next.
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The dark mist bursting from the slashed suit makes me wonder if he had been constructed or held together by some Dathomir witchery.
Who's the fallen Jedi? Anakin? Baylan? or Ahsoka, who literally falls
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The plural of Jedi is Jedi.
- Weakest lightsaber fight I've seen
- Are we really doing the full woman power thing? the master, the padawan, the sith ?
- So now lightsaber stab nobody is fine nobody dies from it except Qui Gon Jinn?
- I'm sorry I'm not sold with Ashoka actress performance. doesn't suit her to be a "master" Jedi , sounds fake
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A lightsaber-stab through center-chest (likely impaling heart, major arteries, lungs, etc.) sounds likely to be fatal (as Captain Hayle was so surprised to learn).
A lightsaber-stab through lower outside abdomen (unlikely to hit any major organs) sounds like a reasonable chance of recovery with quick and appropriate medical attention.
Most lightsaber-stabs that we've seen so far have been closer to the fatal side (presumably 'cause that's where they're usually aimed), AFAIK, although there've been a few exceptions.
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This is one of the strongest episodes so far. That ending is wild. Marc Spector, Stephan Grant and a hippo roll into a mental institution inside his own head. What a trip!
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@noahbk , that, especially that last surprise-encounter bit, was pretty wild.
I suppose even Steven is much too freaked out at this point to recognize what could be Taweret waving a friendly "hi" to him.
This was good and I think the show has a lot of potential. Very interesting start.
Also avatar isn’t an anime Steven
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One of the Avatars is anime[ish], the other isn't.
when steven called avatar an anime i just
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i was mildly impressed that he knew both Avatars.
Funny how now the Empire Remnant has a secret underground resistance against the New Republic. How the tables have turned.
This episode was way better in terms of storytelling but it left me very frustrated. I know that the Mandalorians are not likely to win if they want to keep the mythology. But just for once I'd like to see them come out on top. Gideon has become a bit ridicolous. He's the archetype of a bad guy. He was more interesting when he wasn't flying around as a Vader look-alike. I hate to see Vizla die but I should've seen that one coming because I really grew to like him. Grogu inside IG ? Come-on, he's a Force user. Despite the fact he choose not to train with Luke he still has the ability, no ? And we still must have a monster, doesn't we ?
Now, those are personal and, yes, biased points on my behalf. Like I said it was a great episode as such. In the end I see it as a win for the author if he invokes those reactions from me. There were also moments that gave me serious goosebumps. Like when Bo told them what happened between her and Gideon and subsequent how Din told her why he's following her. The talk about Thrawn didn't surprise me. I expected that pretty much from episode one forward.
Only one episode left and I hope there'll be some silver lining.
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Funny how now the Empire Remnant has a secret underground resistance against the New Republic. How the tables have turned.
The Rebel Alliance to Restore the Empire?
Maybe I don't get something in that Star Wars universe, but can somebody explain me what's the point behind that ridiculous "never take off your helmet" rule? How does he eat and drink? How does he sleep? Does he seat on a toilet in it too? Hump in it as well? How does he washes his face and hairs from sweat and all in order to avoid lice and bedsores? I don't even start that it's obviously unhealthy for your eyes to see the world through the helmet 24/7 and other things like that.
And some plot details just making me roll my eyes.. like when he comes to that totally empty planet to some totally empty Mandalorian castle and there is just one girl lying on the throne - doing nothing at all. He talks to her and leaves and she just keeps lying there, keeps doing nothing. Such an unrealistic empty world..loading replies
@ragnarlothbrok, this was covered pretty well at a few points in the previous seasons. (Episode 1x04, for example.)
Josh is annoying. Thinks Murphy being upset that Jess might have been in the fire meant she set the fire to kill him in it.
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Josh seems utterly obsessed with condemning and imprisoning Murphy, probably because of his consuming anger at her for using him for information and/or his inability to face his own blame for leaking the information in the first place.
If he can't calm down enough to set that aside long enough to listen, he'll continue to be unable to hear or process any explanation of [the crazily complex and horrible story of] what happened.
Gene, OTOH... maybe?
With Cavill's exit, consider this the final season.
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@legendaryfang56 , I think @m0ssb3rg's point is that this Third Season is the final season with Henry Cavill playing Geralt, and that some won't care about a Fourth Season without him.
one didn't survive, the other couldn't endure
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Daaaaamn.
I have to wonder if some awareness of this interpretation drove the selection of the episode title. If so... subtle.
Even if not... daaaaaamn.
The Sliding Door movie starring Goop-extraordinaire Gwyneth Paltrow, referenced in the Master handbook as a major film of 2008, was shot in 1998.
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@mr-tao, in one timeline or another. :wink:
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What?! But why?!
There better be some ressurection happening pretty soon and not in the last episode. The kid was tolerable only around Klaus. Come on!The cast has different range of acting skills and some characters are written pretty one note to begin with (and it works most of the times). But it's really hard to watch Ben's actor trying to be evil. They could have written around this issue, by implying that he is good actually and just fails miserably at being intimidating or evil on purpose. But nope, he supposed to be legit at being this way... It's hard to watch.
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@gloom8 , I get the impression so far that this Ben has been raised to be harsh, selfish, and ruthless, and, yeah, he's really doesn't have what it takes to pull that off well, but he doesn't know anything else, so... this petulant twit is the result.
Now being a killer is "being flawed".
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In the World According to Angelina (who will say anything to convince you to let her stay).
I am begging Disney to renew this, that cliffhanger was great, and I freaking adore all the characters to such a point that I was crying/sad eyes whenever a character presumed dead or left the main cast behind. I freaking love the tone, it's less serious than most other shows out there, especially fantasy series. It has helped me get through the past weeks, I've laughed out loud, I've cried, I've felt all the emotions, but mostly I was excited for Wednesday! So thank you Willow, for making me excited about Wednesday!
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@eric-v-mazzone , I think that was the original plan, although there seems to be some confusion over it now. https://deadline.com/2023/03/willow-canceled-disney-disney-plus-no-season-2-1235300401/
And then there's this weirdness: https://deadline.com/2023/05/disney-remove-series-streaming-disney-plus-hulu-big-shot-willow-y-dollface-turner-hooch-pistol-1235372512/
Not quite sure what's going on there...
A filler but a welcome one. It actually explains a bit about Iris's behaviour about the whole destiny thing without turning it into an "Iris and the flash" type episode, and bringing a relevant Supergirl character to the plot is refreshing. It's miles better than any episode this season for sure.
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I like the idea, the clarity for Iris, working it out via dreams. I just wish they would execute it well.
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.8/10] My favorite episode of the show so far. “Partners, Am I Right?” finally delivers the lived-in, layered dynamic between Clint and Kate that I’ve been wanting, while also delivering some top flight action, and making Kate’s family situation compelling for the first time in the series.
I’ll confess, I abhor the schmuck bait from the end of the last episode. If you’re going to have Jack hold a sword to Clint’s neck, it’s pretty cheap to immediately deflect into one big misunderstanding when you start this one.
Still, I’m willing to forgive it because the interactions between the assmeled are legitimately good here. I don’t know what the cinch is exactly, but Tony Dalton’s Jack is more recognizable as someone wearing the masque of the genteel bumbler while hiding a sinister side beneath. Likewise, I initially thought Eleanor took her daughter teaming up with an Avenger a little too much in stride (maybe it was just being starstruck.) And yet, the show assuaged my fears, having her take Clint aside and basically tell him “Don’t get my daughter mixed up i this dangerous shit.” There’s a patina of realism in this heightened reality in that. I’m increasingly suspicious that Eleanor herself may be involved in some malfeasance, rather than being hoodwinked by Jack, but it’s still nice to see her responding to all of this the way a mother might.
If that weren’t enough, II love love love the scene of Kate showing up to Clint’s place to spend the holiday together. It gives us a reason to like Kate a little more -- she has empathy for her would-be partner, knowing he’s been through a lot and wanting to make sure he’s not alone at a difficult time. In the same way, it makes us like the two of them together more too. The way they banter about trick shots and trick arrows, shuffle through holidays movies, and come up with plans using what turn out to not be dry erase markers is funny and endearing.
Things get serious too though. I’ll admit I forgot that, in the right hands, Jeremy Renner can be a damn good actor. As much as I enjoy the MCU, he hasn’t always had the chance to show that. But hearing him talk about sparing Natasha when he found her, processing what he’s lost and the depths he fell into when he became Ronin is powerful. Some of that’s thanks to the writing, which is better across the board here. But a lot of it comes down to Renner’s performance, which makes Clint an open wound who’s still living with his pain and trying to warn Kate off from it. Seeing him confide in her a bit, open up to her a little, helps cement the partnership in the episode’s title.
After indulging in some of the slack tide hangout vibe that, vitally, let’s us get to know these characters and see them together when they’re not adventuring, the episode also provides them each with solid missions and objectives. Clint strongarms Echo’s lieutenant, Kazi, with a persuasive argument that Maya’s personal vendetta against Ronin is a losing battle that’s going to lose both her and Kazi standing in the eyes of “the Boss.” For her part, Kate gets her own amusing set of interactions with the Larpers, using the connection to retrieve the trick arrows and secure themselves the studio/merchandise-mandated new costumes. One is dramatic and convincing, the other is fun and light, and it’s a good balance. (Hello Thanos fans!)
But the climax of the episode pays things off in a big way. Snooping through Maya’s apartment and discovering that she’s after Clint’s family ups the stakes here. There’s a threat here that goes beyond Clint himself putting his life on the line. The set piece itself is strong, with too many quick cuts for my taste, as usual, but a lot of hard-hitting action and neat wrinkles like Kate's ziplining adventure to liven things up.
There’s the added benefit of making this a four-way fight where who’s on whose side isn’t necessarily clear. Clint and Kate are a team, of course, but Echo has her own agenda, as does the Widow sent after our hero. The shifting alliances, coupled with Clint’s efforts to keep Kate out of harm’s way, makes for a unique dynamic to the fight.
Plus hey! Yelena! It’s nice to see Hawkeye paying off the tag from Black Widow. The debut is well-handled, with the masked assassin fighting like a widow and giving hints of who she is before the reveal happens. At the same, Yelena’s presence is a complicating factor, in a good way. She’s the sister of someone Clint is still mourning, and as he tells Kate, her mere presence means business has picked up. If Clint’s going to keep his word to Eleanor and stop Kate from falling into serious danger, then he has to dissolve their partnership almost as soon as it truly begins. That’s good stuff, which serves both the plot and the characters.
Overall, this is a winner of an outing which kicks things into gear. The dynamic between Kate and clint has never been clearer or more compelling or more endearing, and with connections to other events across the MCU, we’re getting meaningful developments for Clint as he processes the events of Endgame, while orienting Kate within a wider world.
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@andrewbloom, true enough that the timing of that bit across episodes—using it like a cliffhanger—felt a little cheap.
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.8/10] My favorite episode of the show so far. “Partners, Am I Right?” finally delivers the lived-in, layered dynamic between Clint and Kate that I’ve been wanting, while also delivering some top flight action, and making Kate’s family situation compelling for the first time in the series.
I’ll confess, I abhor the schmuck bait from the end of the last episode. If you’re going to have Jack hold a sword to Clint’s neck, it’s pretty cheap to immediately deflect into one big misunderstanding when you start this one.
Still, I’m willing to forgive it because the interactions between the assmeled are legitimately good here. I don’t know what the cinch is exactly, but Tony Dalton’s Jack is more recognizable as someone wearing the masque of the genteel bumbler while hiding a sinister side beneath. Likewise, I initially thought Eleanor took her daughter teaming up with an Avenger a little too much in stride (maybe it was just being starstruck.) And yet, the show assuaged my fears, having her take Clint aside and basically tell him “Don’t get my daughter mixed up i this dangerous shit.” There’s a patina of realism in this heightened reality in that. I’m increasingly suspicious that Eleanor herself may be involved in some malfeasance, rather than being hoodwinked by Jack, but it’s still nice to see her responding to all of this the way a mother might.
If that weren’t enough, II love love love the scene of Kate showing up to Clint’s place to spend the holiday together. It gives us a reason to like Kate a little more -- she has empathy for her would-be partner, knowing he’s been through a lot and wanting to make sure he’s not alone at a difficult time. In the same way, it makes us like the two of them together more too. The way they banter about trick shots and trick arrows, shuffle through holidays movies, and come up with plans using what turn out to not be dry erase markers is funny and endearing.
Things get serious too though. I’ll admit I forgot that, in the right hands, Jeremy Renner can be a damn good actor. As much as I enjoy the MCU, he hasn’t always had the chance to show that. But hearing him talk about sparing Natasha when he found her, processing what he’s lost and the depths he fell into when he became Ronin is powerful. Some of that’s thanks to the writing, which is better across the board here. But a lot of it comes down to Renner’s performance, which makes Clint an open wound who’s still living with his pain and trying to warn Kate off from it. Seeing him confide in her a bit, open up to her a little, helps cement the partnership in the episode’s title.
After indulging in some of the slack tide hangout vibe that, vitally, let’s us get to know these characters and see them together when they’re not adventuring, the episode also provides them each with solid missions and objectives. Clint strongarms Echo’s lieutenant, Kazi, with a persuasive argument that Maya’s personal vendetta against Ronin is a losing battle that’s going to lose both her and Kazi standing in the eyes of “the Boss.” For her part, Kate gets her own amusing set of interactions with the Larpers, using the connection to retrieve the trick arrows and secure themselves the studio/merchandise-mandated new costumes. One is dramatic and convincing, the other is fun and light, and it’s a good balance. (Hello Thanos fans!)
But the climax of the episode pays things off in a big way. Snooping through Maya’s apartment and discovering that she’s after Clint’s family ups the stakes here. There’s a threat here that goes beyond Clint himself putting his life on the line. The set piece itself is strong, with too many quick cuts for my taste, as usual, but a lot of hard-hitting action and neat wrinkles like Kate's ziplining adventure to liven things up.
There’s the added benefit of making this a four-way fight where who’s on whose side isn’t necessarily clear. Clint and Kate are a team, of course, but Echo has her own agenda, as does the Widow sent after our hero. The shifting alliances, coupled with Clint’s efforts to keep Kate out of harm’s way, makes for a unique dynamic to the fight.
Plus hey! Yelena! It’s nice to see Hawkeye paying off the tag from Black Widow. The debut is well-handled, with the masked assassin fighting like a widow and giving hints of who she is before the reveal happens. At the same, Yelena’s presence is a complicating factor, in a good way. She’s the sister of someone Clint is still mourning, and as he tells Kate, her mere presence means business has picked up. If Clint’s going to keep his word to Eleanor and stop Kate from falling into serious danger, then he has to dissolve their partnership almost as soon as it truly begins. That’s good stuff, which serves both the plot and the characters.
Overall, this is a winner of an outing which kicks things into gear. The dynamic between Kate and clint has never been clearer or more compelling or more endearing, and with connections to other events across the MCU, we’re getting meaningful developments for Clint as he processes the events of Endgame, while orienting Kate within a wider world.
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Did the show story "deflect into one big misunderstanding" or did Jack?
That pickpocket was the fella that Spike killed in a late season of Buffy. I recognised his voice. Anyway, do people really not notice when their watch has been nicked?
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I did have a little trouble believing a pickpocket could undo a buckle like that without being noticed.
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VIP2Ver lazy writing, or did the left off a vital part of the Jefferson quote intentionally?
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Lazy writing, or a character cherry-picking his quote?
It was going fun so far but Red Death being Batwoman is just confusing. I know how Red Death goes in the comics. So, why the heck is Batwoman Red Death lol. It's out of place. Shame.
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@blue_angel, probably because the Arrowverse has always had trouble getting DC approval to use Batman directly, and they already have a Batwoman.
That, and they like to tweak things.
Just wow. The subtle change in Crosshair's voice when Mayday was buried in the snow, you could hear genuine compassion and concern in him for the first time. Dee Bradley Baker is a vocal wizard.
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Dee Bradley Baker is a vocal wizard.
Indeed.
Right, so it starts off a little rough, and the characters take some getting used to, it's definitely not "The Witcher", but it IS the Witcher's universe, eh, sort of Witcher's alternate universe... literal parallel worlds lol... anyway, it's actually quite enjoyable as a stand alone show. I'd certainly watch more of this.
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This is basically what I was thinking. Really ragged rough start in terms of story flow, but improving along the way into a pretty good fun finish.
Empress sends half a dozen soldiers to conquer another world. Brilliant!
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To be fair, the Empress sent a scouting team to scout out another world for possible food sources and conquering potential.
OTOH, Empress was indeed a childish idiot for thinking that a completely unknown other world would be so simple to scout and conquer at all.
Gully was a true hero :thumbsup:
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Wonder if this is hinting at the origin of Julia Pennyworth... :thinking:
