♪♫♪ "...But Virginia they didn't give you quite enough information..." ♪♫♪
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It took me a while to realize that Leia doesn't remind Obi-Wan of Padme, but of Duchess Satine.
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I was thinking that the person he described could have been either of those two.
@typongtv, no kidding. I was just thinking that someone tried something like this on Jack before, and look at how that turned out.
@007alex, that would certainly be an interesting twist, if a little weird. Especially after that last scene.
But, if nothing else, something is definitely wrong with Sylvester. I have to wonder if, when he "came back" in his coffin (as he explained in episode 3x01), he came back a little incomplete. (He's reminding me just a little of Harold Meachum from Iron Fist.)
Great first episode though it doesn’t work that the bad guys knew enough to kidnap Leia to get Obi-Wan’s attention.
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Third Sister explained her reasoning behind this plot pretty clearly:
"He fought beside her father during the war. He'll come. He won't be able to help it. The Jedi will hunt himself."
She knows that the kid is important to Organa, Organa and Kenobi were once close, and that Organa will turn to Kenobi for help. She has no idea how important the kid really is beyond that.
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I don't get people that want the show to end. Just stop hitting play and it will be ended for you. Why are you torturing yourself if you don't like it?
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I'm pretty sure that Barry was using meditation to focus while doing things through the other Forces (mostly Still).
I do wish they'd included at least a couple of lines to fill that in a bit more clearly, though.
Damn Barry, leave Caitlin alone would you? Wasn’t enough to barg in to her home unannounced, you had to destroy all the work she has done? I get that they’ve been friends for a long time and he’s trying to look out for her but that was soooo patronising!
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This part, while visually quite impressive, struck me as an annoying reminder that Barry constantly seems to forget most of what he learns as a supposed leader.
Whatever he thinks of her efforts or intentions just then, presuming to "know better" and destroying everything she's worked on (plus her home's windows and who-knows-what-else) like that without even really talking it through with her is not only enormously arrogantly presumptive, but it's also a great way to massively damage Caitlin's ability to ever trust Barry again.
The weird choppy visual of the worlds coming within "sight" of each other, like some sort of TV signal being erratically interrupted, was odd. I very much doubt something like that would look so sharply back-and-forth choppy. But, IMO, that's a relatively small complaint in yet another solid segment of the story.
A larger complaint might be: Why does no one seem to remember the existence of others who might be able to help: Kara, Barry, Jefferson, etc? That story-hole has been annoying me much more, lately.
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After watching the ensuing season finale episode:
Oh. Gotcha, Sam.
Coulda pointed that out sooner.
Damn. :-(
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I wanted this episode to be the greatest climax any season has ever had. The previous episode gave it a great setting to do a lot of amazing things in the season finale.
The finale was slow paced it was well put together and expertly delivered. Each and every scene purposely moved the story along. The people who lost value in the greater narrative were trimmed off. Nobody died that was truly important. And nobody moving forward in the story has an absolute certainty about their future.
What I love the most about this episode was that the producers realized that the greatest attraction to the series itself is homelander. They gave us a season finale that did not take away from the character of homelander but it's still held him back is a character with a greater story yet untold. There is so much uncertainty around homelander and what is next for him and his son.
I'm curious how the producers are going to save butcher's life in the next season good stuff so far. Overall season finale was well done
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I'm curious how the producers are going to save butcher's life in the next season...
I suppose they might, if they find some truly creative healing solution out there somewhere.
I think it's more likely that Butcher will scheme and wait and watch for the perfect-as-he-can-get timing, then take the temp-V one last time in a last attempt to destroy Homelander, knowing full well that it'll kill him as soon as it wears off.
But, with this show, who really knows... ;-)
I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY BUILT UP BLACK NOIR'S BACKSTORY THIS SEASON TO MAKE HIM DIE LIKE GARBAGE......... I KNOW THEY KNOW THAT THEY COULD'VE DONE MUCH BETTER.
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They did use Noir nicely as a foil from which to tell us the story of What Really Happened the day Soldier Boy disappeared.
But, yes, after all that, that end was sadly disappointing. I can see that as being part of the point: to further punctuate the tragic futility of trying to eliminate the unstable toxic mess that is Homelander. But, still,... sigh.
Me: Kumiko murdering a bunch of thugs with dildos is gonna be the wildest thing in this episode
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And now Jamie the Super-Guinea, and the Winter Soldier Boy, are each wandering around Moscow somewhere... that can't be good.
Kimiko and the dildo fight.......................
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Bringing new meaning to "penetration" weapons...
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VIP4Stan Edgar:
Then why are you still here?
Are you looking for my approval like I’m your daddy? And even if I were, what would there be to approve of? The company is yours.
No one left to stand up to you.
But I think you’ll come to sorely regret that.Homelander:
And why is that?Stan Edgar:
Because there’s no one left to cover for you, either.
Eventually, probably soon, the world will recognize you for the pitiful disappointment you are.
You are not worthy of my respect.
You are not a God.
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Or even just as a really harsh and cranky sort of mentor.
Heh. Now I'm imagining the tag-team teaching efforts of Stan Edgar and [Marvel's] Stick. shudder
So did Bruce have an older sister that died also?
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Or even any older sibling that was born as early as the 1960s (or well before Thomas Wayne became a doctor)?
This show does seem to be making a lot of new stuff up (which is weird, but not always bad). I'm wondering where they plan to go with this bit...
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“If this was really Ronnie, why is he coming back now? Seven years after he died.” Let me tell you why Barry, because the writers are grasping at straws here trying to come up with new ideas.
Did Cecile even get to know Ronnie? Can she and Barry try and be a little less condescending? That being said, I hate that they were right at the end. When will Caitlin finally have a chance to be truly happy again?
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Most of those arguments, in both directions, were all so shallow. These characters should have enough experience with complex and layered situations to be much more cautious about being so sure about anything based on so little.
Those arguments could have been so much more interesting, and not even all that much longer, if the characters had just been written and directed as experienced people who could think.
But is the dog ok?
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No kidding. Something about tossing a dog out and leaving it just...
That alone, as a demonstration of who he is, leads me to think that John deserved what happened.
First Ein, now Atilla... sigh...
It's a good end to this chapter. Where multiple other shows ended on cliffhangers, I'm thankful The Blacklist didn't this season...phew.
Season 10's plot seems obvious now, and it sure will be a very interesting one.
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@the_argentinian, that struck me as more of a teaser than a cliffhanger. Could have been a post-credits teaser scene, if The Blacklist did stuff like that.
lol, superman has to have the lamest disguise in the history of disguises. :joy:
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Heh. True. And no voice-distortion.
At least Black Lightning has the excuse that their visors generate electric fields that distort the face. And Flash's voice-vibration distortion (even if they do forget to use it too often).
But, despite all that, this show is still the best of the Arrowverse right now.
Thank you everyone involved with Mr Robot, one of the few TV series that didn't treat the viewer like an idiot.
Welcome back Elliot, and goodbye my friend.
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...one of the few TV series that didn't treat the viewer like an idiot.
So few shows are willing to take the risk that viewers are smart and willing enough to ponder what they see and figure things out. The only other show I can think of that truly does this is Netflix's Dark. The truly rare gems.
Let's hope that Trenton was telling the truth about that automated email...
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Just finishing this ep now, that one little dead-man's switch email could become awfully important real soon...
Was Ally Allston and her cult a reference to Allison Mack and her membership in a cult?
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Sounds like she may be modeled after a comics character named Alexandra Allston (Parasite).
https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Ally_Allston
https://screenrant.com/superman-lois-ally-allston-parasite-villain-explained/
I'm not quite seeing the full connection so far, but we all know that the Arrowverse has drawn some rather interesting new interpretations from existing DC comics characters before...
It's just a bad shoulder wound, she'll be fine, because it's going to be a dark, dark day if anything happens to human Gideon.
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@van-nyx, I'm not disagreeing; it's been a very interesting take on Gideon's development, and I wouldn't object to their continuing it. Just noting that this particular development seems to reinforce the idea that it's time may be more limited than some of us might like—and that losing her in this way wouldn't necessarily mean losing her entirely.
It's just a bad shoulder wound, she'll be fine, because it's going to be a dark, dark day if anything happens to human Gideon.
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@van-nyx, OTOH, if that body dies, I suspect that there'll soon be a vacancy in the new Waverider's computer core...
Great episode but here we go with the CW bringing sexuality in as a subject where its not required or been asked for. This series has been amazing, DO NOT start to change things and PC it into a shit show.
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And that kids have always tried all sorts of new and daring things at summer camps?
Absolutely loved the episode from beginning to end, but when Kang the Conqueror/He Who Remains finally appears, isn't he initially just describing Counterpart's (an amazing series with J.K. Simmons, from 2017, I think) plot?
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I don't know that I would say "just", but the similarities are a bit striking, aren't they?
So I guess we'll never know what happened to his eye.
On a serious note, this was a solid finale, but it was not without a couple of cop-outs along the way. Still, it was thoroughly enjoyable, and after watching it in English in order to ensure that I missed as little as possible, I plan to rewatch it sometime soon in the original German.
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But the Mystery of Torben's Eye lives on... ;-)
That sounds like it should be a follow-on short-story, doesn't it?
Or a new exclamation known only to Dark fans. "By Torbin's Eye...!"
So, Claudia wins Dark, not Adam, not Eve
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Adam: I have the answer.
Eva: No, I have the answer.
Adam: No, I have the answer.
Eva: No, I have the answer.
Claudia: Shut up, you two; I'm solving this.
"Mr Stark, I dont feel so good..."
Perfect finale.
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I had this exact thought at that moment... heh...
Still a damn good ending. Or unending. Or... You know what I mean.
I have to wonder if all the Marthas are just there as a defense against wealthy vigilantes and alien boy scouts.
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Imagine the level of confusion this could have added to that Dawn of Justice scene.
I'm sure the writers had a second name for the show and it was: "what the actual F is going on. I don't understand shit". That wasn't too commercial and they stuck with "Dark".
My sister asked me yesterday why the show is called Dark. Well, I guess we just found out.
My stomach actually hurts. This was by far the saddest and best episode of Dark. I loved it more than words can describe, but it got really dark.
I love how the more you watch, the more tragic their lives get. I rememeber thinking nothing could be more tragic than Mikkel's. Then, Ulrich's. But Katharina's life is so freaking tragic. That poor thing got killed by her own mother who then went back home to abuse her at a young age. And the same day she's killed, Mikkel returns to the same home she's been living in for God knows how long. Seriously, that scene with the broken window and Mikkel looking at it got to me the most. Well, that and Ulrich waiting for Katharina at the entrance. Two really powerful scenes. I'm heartbroken just thinking about him standing there waiting for her to rescue him and see their son again.
Also, that scene in season two, when they're at the lake and Bartosz's telling the story of a lady who downed in the lake to scare Martha, he was talking about Katharina! That's just messed up. So Bartosz scared Martha with a tale about Martha's mum pulling her down in the lake. This episode made one of the happiest scene on the whole show look even darker.
The scene of Helene abusing young Katharina was brutal. She's abused by her mother, doesn't want to have kids because she'll end up like her mother, has three kids, her husband cheats on her with Hannah, who also sleeps with her son and who she's named after, then her son Mikkel goes missing, she ends up neglecting her other kids, her husband also goes missing and is trapped in an asylum, she goes back to save him and ends up being murdered by her own mother without seeing her son.
Also, the trailer scene with Elizabeth and Peter was beautifully shot. It felt like a nightmare. And the fact that she's deaf made it 10 times worse. I got the feeling that Elizabeth was gonna end up killing Peter and that it was gonna be the cause of her change from sweet girl to a badass in the future. But I guess I was wrong although, if she hadn't picked up that pocket knife, Peter wouldn't have probably died.
By looking at the paper where young Noah wrote I realized it looks like he was saying that Charlotte and Elizabeth were at the caves, which is technically true.
Also, who was that guy at the RV? At first, I thought it was Erik's dad, but I'm inclined to believe that it was just a random guy.
And what's the deal with H. G. Tannhaus' son? He spoke about two women who seemed delivering him Charlotte. I bet they were adult Elizabeth and Charlotte, who went back to the past sent by Adam to kidnap young Charlotte and deliver her to Tannhaus.
Now, our Jonas getting killed was shocking but as previous events have shown, this Jonas' only purpose was to sleep with Alt-Martha, get her pregnant and so create the whole family tree. So there were, in fact, two Jonas. Like Schrödiger Jonas. Two different decisions at the same moment created two different versions of Jonas. So, since adult Jonas is the one that ends up being Adam, our Jonas was sort of a time remnant (in The Flash terms), someone who exists with just one purpose. Sort of like a Meeseeks type of thing. You exist with one purpose and once that purpose is completed, you disappear. And suddenly, Jonas' transformation into Adam starts to make sense.
Also, that last shot of Jonas on the floor with the family trees definitely looked like wings.
I love the mirroring this season. In our world, Adam killed Martha. And now, Martha kills Jonas. The irony. Also, there were waaaay too many Marthas in that room.
In another show, I wouldn't give it much thought but this is Dark so, what did Alt-Martha want to say to Jonas in the morning when they woke up? She stopped herself from talking. I'm sure it means something.
I couldn't help but laughing when Charlotte and Peter were talking and they said "She's not deaf, you know" in front of Elizabeth.
The journey the Saint Christopher's locket has been on is amazing. So it started with Egon Tiedemann, who gave it to Hannah/Katharina, who gave it to young Helene, who lost it in the lake to be found years later by Jonas and Martha repaired it and gave it to Jonas who then gave it to Alt-Martha. That's quite a journey it's been on.
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Interesting thought with the time-remnant analogy. That would also explain why adult Jonas (back in 1888) has no memory of meeting an alt-Martha back then.
OTOH, in that case, where's the "real" young Jonas that eventually grows into adult Jonas (and thus into Adam)?
Or are we going to find that when alt-Martha showed up to collect him, she actually somehow sent the "real" Jonas somewhere/somewhen safe from the imminent Apocalypse (from which he has not yet emerged) while branching off the remnant to bring home...?
Arrggh. Brain hurt.
