I thought I like him but now I hope the racists kill him. Weak willed, traitorous piece of crap.
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@The_Argentinian Wade betrayed her the same way he was betrayed by Jersey Girl in 85 - he made Angela vulnerable, lead her to believe that he cared for her, and then when she was exposed he ran off with her metaphorical clothes. And it looks like it may have worked out for him just as well as it did for Jersey Girl.
Since when do spaceships in Star Wars have Tardis technology inside them?! 31:14
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@david_opp Since Star Wars features one of the Doctors. :)
Sabine is so weak. She gave up so easily. And she should’ve listened to Ahsoka and destroyed the key. What’s more important the fate of the galaxy or one guy
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@nox32 Furthermore I would not expect the Sabine from "Rebels" act like this. Ezra told her that he could count on her. However I do not think he meant that she should find him but to honor his decision and protect Lothal and the Galaxy. He knew that finding him means finding Thrawn as well. Therefore, by giving in to Baylan she betrayed Ezra's trust.
Sabine getting stabbed by lightsaber: I am fine, tis but a flesh wound.
Ahsoka on top of ship in space: This is fine, I am going to do some acrobatic jumps in space, fall back on the ship and prevent the enemy from blowing us up using my lightsabers.
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@FinFan Yeah I get what you mean. I myself am not a fan of all the cop out Star Wars is doing. It completely removes any impact of the deaths. However, I don’t think they’ll bring back Anakin from the dead. They’re probably just going to have an inspirational conversation and call it a day. It’s also possible that Ahsoka only ended up there after falling off the cliff because she was originally saved in the World between Worlds. Maybe it actually is closed but not for her
Sabine getting stabbed by lightsaber: I am fine, tis but a flesh wound.
Ahsoka on top of ship in space: This is fine, I am going to do some acrobatic jumps in space, fall back on the ship and prevent the enemy from blowing us up using my lightsabers.
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@beestmann True. But Ezra closed the portal to that world and even Palpatine seemed not be able to open it. Now (a badly CGI) Anakin appears out of the blue to save Ahsoka (who was before killed by him and later saved by Bridger) and who lost the fight to Baylan way to easy, just to open that realm again.
I think it was a good think they closed that thing because it pretty much gives writers free reign to bring back whomever they want from the dead and I don't like that.
Sabine getting stabbed by lightsaber: I am fine, tis but a flesh wound.
Ahsoka on top of ship in space: This is fine, I am going to do some acrobatic jumps in space, fall back on the ship and prevent the enemy from blowing us up using my lightsabers.
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@sikanderx6 @mellowgeek Tbf Ahsoka and Anakin are directly connected, it makes perfect sense. The world between worlds isn’t a new thing either
[7.7/10] There are three versions of the same motif in “Martial Feats”, three moments when Angela has her arms wrapped around someone, supporting their weight, before something major, and a little insane, goes down.
The first is the most straightforward. She, along with Looking Glass and Red Scare, help pull Chief Crawford down from his noose. It is a moment where she is losing a father figure, seeing someone she trusted, who was family to her, taken away from her by vigilantes. There is profound pain in her eyes when she watches the body bag zipped up, and tries to remain calm rather than immediately taking her revenge on Nixontown, even as her brutal beatdown shows how much anger she’s holding under the surface.
The second is a flashback to the “White Night”, where she’s holding her husband close, playing and flirting in the final moments before Xmas. Until all of a sudden, a man in a Rorschach mask barges in and, in a harrowing scene, tries to kill her. The result is an explanation for her closeness with Chief Crawford, a shared survival of something hellacious that hit close to home, that emboldened them to stay in the fight despite tremendous risks, that brought them together as something closer and more significant than two officers on the same force.
And the third is her lifting Will into her car after placing him under arrest. It comes not only after she has learned that her Chief, the man she trusted, was hiding a Klan robe in his closet, something to undermine the faith and love she thought they shared, but also after she learns that this man who claims to have killed Judd Crawford is her biological grandfather. It is something to tear her world apart, to rewrite everything she thought she knew about someone close to her, and a reason to take seriously someone who claims to be his killer.
What does it all mean? Well I think the key is in the opening scene, where we see the development and distribution of a letter to black soldiers fighting in World War II, asking why they fight for a country that treats them as something lesser, that doesn't give them dignity despite serving under the same flag. It seems like that sparked something in (presumably) Will’s father, a realization that despite serving with and under their white counterparts, there was a different war to fight, a level of trust and respect they were not going to get, which gave him, and now gives Angela, reason to question the justness of the battles they’re fighting.
A third of the way through, the Watchmen T.V. series is about the murky intersection of race and politics and service and our national institutions. But it also seems to be about an awakening in Angela, one that opens her eyes to realities she thought she knew, of lines between black and white she thought she understood, that are starting to become much more blurred with the light Will’s little lantern is shining on them.
Much of that falls on Regina Hall to carry, and she does an outstanding job here. Whether it’s selling Angela’s surprise at the revelation about her grandfather, her responding with determination and resolve and tremendous pain after hearing about how many of her comrades were gunned down, her reserve curdling into vengeful anger at Nixontown, or her understanding, concerned interactions with her son, all give Hall a hell of an opportunity to show the different layers and shades she brings to this performance.
It’s also an episode that helps build out the world, fill in the blanks for little questions that we might have assumed we knew the answers to, but couldn’t know for sure. We see what exactly the “White Night” was and how it affected the relationship between the police and “The Cavalry.” We learn that Angela and her husband adopted the children of her old partner who was killed that night, something the kids’ grandfather (Jim Beaver!) is clearly none too pleased with.
And we learn more details about the “Redfordrations” -- the financial recompense offered by the U.S. government in response to the violence enacted against black people in America, including the Tulsa Massacre of Black Wallstreet depicted in the opening episode. I’m apt to slate Watchmen a little for resorting to pretty raw exposition for this, but holy hell, it’s hard to complain when they have Skip f’n Gates do it, and include a DNA test to boot. It’s a revelation that helps connect the show’s political themes to something concrete, an effort to portray a right wing backlash to a left wing government trying to take steps to make amends for the abhorrent things in our country’s past, and to establish Angela’s place within that maelstrom.
We also see Veidt trying to make good on Dr. Manhattan’s suggestion that he might try to create a little life on his own. Ozymandias is trying to recreate tomatoes, emotions, people, and seems to be coming up short each time. His part of the episode seems to take place separate and apart from all the other goings on, without much of even a thematic tie. But it’s an intriguing side-story, one of obsession with his old blue compatriot, and one of trying to find passion and, yes, life in something he can create and control.
And last, but not least, we get a look at the “American Hero” T.V. show, giving us a scene of Hooded Justice’s backstory that...well...looks a lot like the aesthetic and style of 2009 Zach Snyder film. I’m not sure if there’s a broader point here, beyond vaguely slating the earlier flick. But maybe the purpose (along with the FCC’s disavowal) is to show the way that these exploits are still being lionized, still meant to inspire and give a hagiography for a form of vigilante justice that has nuts in Rorschach masks going on organized cop killing sprees. It’s a form of justice that the likes of Nite Owl and Silk Spectre once believed in, folks who may have something to do with Will getting picked up and carried off into the night sky.
They’re the other image that comes to mind when I think of two people holding one another in the way that Angela holds her husband, her surrogate father, and her grandfather here. I think of Dan Dreiberg’s dream of the two of them in the nuclear apocalypse. I think of the newsstand owner and his younger reader reaching for one another amid the squid’s blast. I think of these people reaching for one another in these horrible situations, seeking that last bit of connection amid terrible events. And maybe that’s what Angela is waking up to, a human connection that alerts her to something rotten, something ominous, waiting just beyond the horizon.
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@andrewbloom I think flyers were distributed in WW 1, not 2. Black soldiers were notoriously mistreated during ww1 by the USA, who sent them first to front lines. That also explains how the grandfather had this note in 1922's Tulsa thing.
If it wasn't for the absurd Jeremy Irons bits I would quit watching this show right now.
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@onlime on the contrary for me. Those parts feel disconnected from the rest of the series. I guess it will pay off eventually. Like in the finale, lol
What is this garbage? Why is the show opening with democrats killing black poeple? I thought this comic took place in NYC in the 50s.
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@htpcmac because The Black Wall street massacre is a real thing that happened. The comics took place in the 50s the show takes place after the events of the comics.
Enjoyed it even though the leftist bullshit agenda does my head in,all whites are evil and all that bullshit!
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@kingy72 The police chief was a white guy he was good, The Red Scare is an actor who often plays racist Russian gangsters but he was a good guy, the officer Looking Glass was a good guy, while one of the little kids was a white racist kid the show goes through efforts to show he's just a kid and isn't a racist. The teacher didn't endorse his words. There were plenty of white cops in that police station scene as well. If you walk away with the sense that all white people are evil in this world then that's on you, not the show.
Review by Lord Million
what was this garbage that I just wasted 1 hour watching. This show is as far from the movie as one could possibly get. Other than the few references this has nothing to do with the Doomsday time clock from The Watchmen movie. for a pilot or plot I give this episode a great big F. I am afraid i will have to force myself to watch another episode just to give this series a chance. Nothing made any sense in this episode. the world or the alternative America that we saw in the movie is one that was clear on its stance when it came to vigilantes. However we have the number of persons that had super powers both heroes and villains . In the series we have a lot of people running around in mask but absolutely no superheroes introduced in the first episode. Some naked guy typing at the chair seems to be our first introduction as to what they may try to develop into a villain. However there is more confusion than mystery. There is a somewhat forced or artificial connection to the characters in the series. At one point a plane has crashed and I realize that I didn't care whether the person in the wreckage survived or died. there is absolutely no character like Rorschach or Doctor Manhattan that connected with the audience in the way that we saw in the movie. This plot is very disappointing to say the least. One would think that HBO could or would have done better. they clearly need to give this series some love if this is how they're going to start it off.
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@lordmillion The Watchmen movie has very little to do with the Watchmen comics, so why would you think the TV show would have anything to do with the movie?
Wasn't a big fan of the unmotivated editing during some of the fight scenes, but that doesn't take away from a very strong pilot. The world building, the re-introduction, the updating to a universe finally back in the limelight is very exciting. Watchmen is one of my favorite pieces of literature and Lindelof is one of my favorite showrunners. This feels tailor-made for me and I could not be more excited about it.
This is a significant improvement over the dumpster fire that is the Snyder adaptation.
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@hcolesmith95 Hmm.. Which fight scene in particular?
As, I gotta say, for example, in the farmyard shootout, I very memorably spent my thoughts thinking about how smart it was to be prepared with that setup (intense field lighting, machine gun turrets, and heavier-than-human, rough-hoofed animals surrounding any intruders) and was pseudo surprised that I hadn't seen that particular display of darkly horrific tacticality (where I expected half of the police to get randomly stomped into bloody smears before one of them could survive) used on screen yet .
I’m a little confused that Rorschach has been taken and used as white supremacy symbol.
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@bogdangastin sure that actually makes sense. Rorshach by no means was anything close to a white supremacist himself but if he was a real person meeting out violence left and right and always ending up right. That's exactly the sort of person that white supremacists would love. Unlike Ozymandias who was rich and unrelatable. Rorshach did things and you could feel him doing things.
I mean think literally about how police (in real life) see themselves as The Punisher in spite of the fact that The Punisher is literally a person who acts outside the law because he sees the police as incompetent. As opposed to Captain America which would make a much better symbol for protecting and serving.
20mins chase sequence in a 30mins episode. We know the main characters won't die , who are we kidding .
4/10
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@thebabayaga the chase scene doesn't start until almost 17 minutes in and ends at 27, making it 10 minutes out of a 31 minute episode, and part of that isn't even the chase, as ahsoka wards off the approaching fighters while their ship is down. it's really weird to me that so many comments here are saying the same 20 minute chase scene in a 30 minute episode nonsense, when it's not even approximately true.
Well done, Di$ney, you managed to glorify mental illness in an even worse way than Legion ever did.
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@erebos Thinking Legion glorified mental illness has to be the worst take I've seen, ever. Congrats man
OSCAR ISAAC SPEAKING IN SPANISH AT THE POST CREDIT SCENE !!! OMGGG
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@ahacovi well, he is born in Guatemala tho, so spanish is his native language.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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The episode is crazy good. I’m shocked. Glad I didn’t drop the show.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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@albertic0 Without those, this one would not have felt this great.
Looks like I'm in the minority here, but as someone who has been disappointed with this series (due to a combination of writing and superhero fatigue - it's real dammit), this was one of the best Marvel Disney+ episodes so far.
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@balazs955 exactly... it's all about the journey
But we only have woman’s in this show?
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@brunorendeiro All bar one main character in the original trilogy were male. Why does it suddenly matter when it's the opposite gender?
Too slow, too much staring, easy writing, typically mindless Disney plus garbage made for the twitter crowd. Nothing special.
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@whos_ur_buddha goddamnit dude, just stay away. No one’s cares for your shitty comments! It’s getting really annoying reading EVERYWHERE how stupid you think everything is, just because you are not able to understand it!
I have no relations to any of these characters and I find them very one dimensional and boring. The timeline also confuses me. This is supposed to be after the original trilogy but Ahsokas master is Anakin. Where were she during Ep. 4 to 6? And this is after her live action debut in The Mandalorian? Is it also after season three of that show? Before? All the questions is just piling on.
Well, I will most likely not watch the rest of the series (season?) before all episodes has dropped, if I ever do.
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This is set around 11~ years after Episode 6 and after Mando Season 2 and Book of Boba Fett
Ahsoka helped to form the Rebel Alliance prior to Episode 4 (Rebels), but it still hasn't been explained where she was during the original trilogy. She was involved in a lot of timey-wimey stuff toward the end
The final episodes of The Clone Wars show what happens to her during Episode 3. She was Anakin's apprentice during The Clone Wars but left the Jedi order when she was falsely accused of a crime
I really don’t get the hate. I think this show is great. Lots of stuff unfolding in this one. I like the slow burn.
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@gigantor Ignorance on what good story telling, acting, production and fight choreography is bliss
Still struggling to care about this one. Also a whole room of gods couldn't see what Arthur was really up to? Instead they were talked out of it by him saying that Khonshu's host had 'issues'. Bit wishy washy imo.
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@reiko_lj I don't think they're actually "gods". More like self-absorbed alien beings.
Underwhelmed am I after first watch. Why do they need to put the location of someone in an orb and hide it in an old temple? It's the STUPID sith way finder all over again.
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@sisdog I doubt it will be explained properly but the way I see it it's the location of a place in the outer rim where he disappeared. It could be some kinda special place, since we know of the mysterious circumstances under which he went.
For example some place where the space whales like to swim to mate at and Dathomir witches vacationed at, so they kept it hidden. Maybe even Ezra sensed there is such a place before he went.
So once Morgan Elsbeth investigated the details of how Thrawn disappeared, she knew what the place was, just not how to get to it.
Review by Andrew Bloom
VIP9[7.5/10] Ahsoka feels right. The vistas of Lothal feel of a piece with their animated rendition. The characters seem like themselves despite shifts in the performer and the medium. Their relationships feel genuine even though much has changed in the five years since we’ve seen them together.
Maybe that shouldn’t be a big surprise with Dave Filoni, impresario of the animated corner of Star Wars, both writing and directing “Master and Apprentice”, the series premiere. He is the title character’s co-creator and caretaker. He is the creator of Star Wars: Rebels, the show that Ahsoka is most clearly indebted to. And he is, for many, the keeper of the flame when it comes to the Galaxy Far Far Away.
But it was my biggest fear for this show. More than the plot, more than the lore, more than the latest chapter in the life of my favorite character in all of Star Wars, my concern was that translating all these characters, and their little corner of the universe, to live action and a different cast and a different era of the franchise would make everything feel wrong. Instead, we’re right at home. The rest is gravy.
And the gravy is good. Because these are not the colorful, if intense, adventures of the Ghost crew fans saw before. This is, or should be, a period of triumph for the onetime Rebels. They won! The Empire is torn asunder! Lothal is led with grace and a touch of wry sarcasm by Governor Azadi, with none other than Clancy Brown reprising the role! Huyang the lightsaber-crafting droid is still around and has most of his original parts!
Nonetheless, our heroes are hung up on old battles and older wounds. Ahsoka Tano is on a quest to track down Grand Admiral Thrawn, who hunted the Spectres in Rebels. Sabine Wren can’t bask in the afterglow of victory as a hero when she’s still mourning Ezra Bridger. And the two warriors have some lingering bad blood with one another after an attempt to become master and apprentice, true to the title, went wrong somewhere along the way.
With that, the first installment of Ahsoka is a surprisingly moody and meditative affair, one that works well for Star Wars. Sure, there's still a couple of crackerjack lightsaber fights to keep the casual fans engaged. But much of this one is focused on familiar characters reflecting on what’s been lost, what’s been broken, and what’s hard to fix. The end of Rebels was triumphant, but came with costs. To linger on those costs, and the new damage that's accumulated in their wake, is a bold choice from Filoni and company.
So is the decision to focus on Sabine here. Don’t get me wrong, Ahsoka has the chance to shine in the first installment of the show that bears her name. Her steady reclamation of a map to Thrawn, badass hack-and-slash on some interfering bounty droids, and freighted reunions with Hera and her former protege all vindicate why fans have latched onto the character. For her part, Rosario Dawson has settled into the role, bringing a certain solemnity that befits a more wizened and confident master, but also that subtle twinkle that Ashley Eckstei brings to the role.
And yet, the first outing for Ahsoka spends more time with Sabine’s perspective. It establishes her as a badass who’d rather rock her speeder with anti-authoritarian style than be honored for her heroics. It shows her grieving a lost comrade whose sacrifice still haunts her. It teases out an emotional distance and rebelliousness between her and her former mentor. And it closes with her using her artist’s eye to solve the puzzle du jour, and defend herself against a fearsome new enemy.
This is her hour, and while Sabine is older, more introverted, all the more wounded than the Mandalorian tagger fans met almost a decade ago, this opening salvo for the series is better for it.
My only qualms are with the threat du jour. Yet another Jedi not only survived the initial Jedi Purge, but has made it to the post-Return of the Jedi era without arousing the suspicions of Palpatine, Vader, Yoda, or Obi-Wan. Ray Stevenson brings a steady and quietly menacing air to Baylan Skoll, the former Jedi turned apparent mercenary, but there's enough rogue force-wielders running around already, thank you very much.
His apprentice holds her own against New Republic forces and Ahsoka’s own former apprentice, but is shrouded in mystery. She goes unidentified, which, in Star Wars land, means she’s secretly someone important (a version of Mara Jade from the “Legends” continuity?) or related to someone important (the child of, oh, let’s say Ventress). And I’m tired of such mystery boxes.
Throw in the fact that Morgan Elsbet, Ahsoka’s source and prisoner, turns out to be a Nightsister, and you have worrying signs that the series’ antagonists will be rehashing old material rather than moving the ball forward. The obvious “We just killed a major character! No for real you guys!” fakeout cliffhanger ending doesn’t inspire much confidence on that front either.
Nonetheless, what kept me invested in Rebels, and frankly all of Star Wars, despite plenty of questionable narrative choices, is the characters. The prospect of Ahsoka trying to train a non force-sensitive Mandalorian in the ways of the Jedi, or at least her brand of them, is a bold and fascinating choice.
But even more fascinating is two people who once believed in one another, having fallen apart, drifting back together over the chance to save someone they both care about. “Master and Apprentice” embraces, rather than shying away from, the sort of lived-in relationships that made the prior series so impactful in the past, and the broken bonds that make these reunions feel fragile, painful, and more than a little bitter in the present.
I am here for Hera the general trying to patch things up between old friends. I am here for Sabine holding onto her rebellious streak but carrying scars from what went wrong, in the Battle of Lothal and in her attempts to learn the ways of the Jedi. And I am here for Ahsoka, once the apprentice without a master, now the master without an apprentice, here to snuff out the embers of the last war and reclaim what was lost within it.
They all feel right. The rest can figure itself out.
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@rivvvers So you didn't bother to read my write-up, but you did take time to comment on it? If you'd like to understand why I gave the score I did, might I recommend reading my review?
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@the_argentinian I didn't say there won't be another season. I just mentioned it could be the last. Favreau is already writing scripts for a possible 4th season. Those could be adapted for other shows I guess. But since it is official that it's no longer Din's show and the final scenes of season three hinting he's taking a step back, a possible 4th season could be entirley about Bo Katan.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@finfan I agree. I think fans hype each other up too much to a point that a movie or show can't top the expectations. This was a great episode, a bit short, but I would have liked to have seen a little tease for Ahsoka.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@the_argentinian Everything you said in your comment is false. I'm actually impressed.
What?? No teaser? No stinger? No giant cliffhanger?
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@xander75 Maybe they aren't sure there'll be another season. I could absolutely see this being the end of this show with Mando making appearances in other creations that are yet to come. They already said he's no longer the focus of the show. And you know what, I think I would be OK with that.
