We know that Omega is very important but I don't think it was on of the Kaminoans who hired Fennec. That would be too obvious, wouldn't it? It's someone we haven't seen yet.
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@andrewbloom Yes, that is one possibilty. I was thinking Fett. Althought he's still very young at this point. But there is a connection between him and Fennec. And maybe that started around this time.
I found this to be all unrelated peripheral plot. I forwarded through 90% of it, and the 10% didn’t have much of use. A lot of shows have episodes with a fair amount of filler, but this went way over the line.
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@linrey I didn't see anything wasted in this storyline. It builds upon the alternate reality concept introduced a few episodes ago. They were warned that continuing to reset their day would weaken the barriers between dimensions. And in this episode, we saw a consequence.
I can imagine this episode would polarize People...I fell on the side of those who are feelin' it.
Lots of happy tears...seeing the flashbacks and reunions.
Except, what was up with Ralph? Was there some kind of contractual or legal problem that they couldn't just show his face? I hope it's just that he's away on vaca!
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@ngsstory For a network that’s become woke & all about showing power of “love”, they did exactly opposite by firing him instead giving him a chance to be a better human being (which it seems like he was on a journey to be). The CW is such a contradiction.
I can imagine this episode would polarize People...I fell on the side of those who are feelin' it.
Lots of happy tears...seeing the flashbacks and reunions.
Except, what was up with Ralph? Was there some kind of contractual or legal problem that they couldn't just show his face? I hope it's just that he's away on vaca!
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@vwfringe Hartley Sawyer got canceled and he has been fired from the show, which sucks because he was the best part of all the seasons he was in.
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Liz's sister needs to get a life. Red may be a vicious criminal but he's always finding joy in life, and he shares those unexpected pleasures with those around him, like when he offered that champagne to his new prison friend. Maybe his altruism isn't because of emotion but lazy sentiment, and maybe his agenda isn't really pure, who knows, but If the bratty sisters really were actually related to this Red, maybe they'd at least get their snubbed noses out of the air for long enough to enjoy something other than planning ways to hinder Red.
Red will likely forgive Liz when it's all over, but she's really straining the limits of forgivability, even by his standards of her, which are laxer for her than anyone else. Maybe she wants to test things, like daddy issues? I wonder where this new vigilantism about him on her part comes from. She's mad he had secrets? But did he ever really lie to her face and if he did wasn't it to protect her? I guess she has to further justify her husband's death, even though she did get revenge. She should wonder why Red treats her differently than her sister tho. I do.
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@dewdropvelvet Well after attempting to kill Mr. Kaplan (although her intentions were good), nobody can be 100% safe from red
I really wish they'd stop re-using the same villains over and over and over again
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@belle333black they shot their load too early by packing all the villains in at once, BEFORE Batman has even arrived on the scene. It's ridiculous and the police department are a joke. They arrest the same villains every other week, and the ones they don't, they just let roam around free even though they should all be in prison. Showing origins of villains is perfectly fine, but when they start carrying out evil plans and they are foiled every other episode by Gordon, it just makes the idea of Batman sound super dumb.
Man, I already love Zari. The way she figured out the whole team at the beginning was hilarious and 100% accurate (also, Mick was so pleased with himself, I love one (1) man). But while she acts all sarcastic and whatnot most of the time, deep down she's a total softie. Her interactions with little Ray (that British accent!) were precious. I wonder if she's going to be wearing that white costume into battle from now on, or if it was just for Halloween purposes. Either way, it looked cool.
The little Dominator was absolutely stinking cute and I want one. If only there was any way to stop it from growing up because the Mominator was UGLY. The way she cuddled her kid was sweet though.
The federal agents singing with both Rays and Gumball bobbing their heads in sync was so freaking adorable and one of the best moments of the episode.
All the E.T references were awesome. Especially the shot of little Ray riding his bike in the sky with a full moon in the background. Iconic.
Welcome to the world, baby Ronnie (I'm not crying, you're crying)! It's going to be a wild ride.
Jax, whatever you're doing, stop it right now. No one's breaking up Firestorm, not on my watch. I love my team and I want it to stay the way it is.
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@aniela-krajewska Firestorm related
If you don't want to know anything don't read any further
but it has already been announced that Victor is going to leave the show due to scheduling conflicts with his broadway play :(
And I think I missed something, since when is Wally competent enough to be the Flash? Then again, I realize that Barry wasn't too much competent and it stays the same. So next year Barry has to come back. I guess he'll be out for a couple of episodes while Wally takes on the mantel and his red suit. Now the show's gonna be called "Kid Flash", right? That is, until someone frees Barry. But he going into the Speedforce could potentially create another Savitar. Like I said, messed up.
And when Barry is saying his farewell, I'm sorry but I found it hilarious that they take their time to say goodbye when there are people on the background yelling and dying while the city is being destroyed.
The same when Savitar was about to use the quantum splicer and literally said "We have to hurry" he walks slowly. And immediately before the philosopher's stone exploded and Barry told Wally to get everybody out and he leaves his sister behind. I just found it hilarious. And did Cisco literally call Savitar "Two-face"? No wonders he's angry, sad and needs a hug.
I liked the fact that Caitlin kept her powers. I don't want them gone. I like Killer Frost but I wanted good old Caitlin back so I'm settled for Chilling Frost. Btw, I'm waiting for memes of Caitlin saying "I'm something else".
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@thogek "My name is Caitlyn Snow. After five episodes trying to murder my old friends I returned to my old self with only one goal: redeem myself. But to honor my past memory I can't be the friendly killer I once was. I need to become someone else, something else. I need to become Chilling Frost"
Review by Aniela Krajewska
VIP8Am I crying? Yes. Yes, I am. Damn it, Flash. You did it again. You managed to turn me into a sobbing mess.
First of all, what was Mark fucking Hamill doing there? I've never seen him in anything other than Star Wars, so my first thought was a horrified "L-Luke?". Amazing. It takes some serious balls to cast such an iconic actor and then have him appear in just one scene. I applaud the showrunners.
Yay, Wally got his suit. Maybe he will finally stop whining.
I can't decide if I like Julian or not. Sure, he's not a bad guy, but he can still be an asshole when he wants to be.
"One shall betray you. One shall fall. One will suffer fate far worse than death."
Fuck off, Savitar. Nobody messes with Team Flash. And stay away from Iris. We've already lost Laurel, I won't let another plant-named love interest/moral compass/badass die on my watch.
So, Caitlin can control her powers now? It would be so cool (no pun intended) if she could use them without fear of turning into Killer Frost.
Drunk H.R. is hilarious. And his little happy dance with Wally in the park was absolutely adorable.
The Flash sure knows how to do a Christmas episode. I don't get nearly as excited about Christmas as I used to, but even my cold, dead heart warmed up a little when I saw all those decorations and all the characters together and happy for once. I was afraid something would happen and the episode would end on a cliffhanger, but no. Instead we got Barry and Iris being cute and in love. Someone punch me in the face, I can't handle the feels.
So, I guess this is the mid-season finale? In that case, see you all in 2017! And early Merry Christmas wishes to all of you!
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@aniela-krajewska
Actually Mark Hamill has already appeared in 3 Flash Episodes:
- The Present (2016) ... James Jesse / The Trickster
- Running to Stand Still (2015) ... James Jesse / The Trickster
- Tricksters (2015) ... James Jesse / The Trickster
there's a strong feeling that what white rose did to angela was some sort of brainwashing which would explain why the washington plant is so important: it's where the experiments are being made
if this does turn out to be true i will lose my FUCKING MIND because is it not enough that this show is dark as hell now they're gonna add freaky science fiction shit into the mix like im not haunted by this show enough as it is
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@thirstyagron do you remember when Darlene talked about her being kidnapped by a women in the previous episode? Initially I thought that was Joanna by the way she describes her lipstick and the way the camera focuses on Joanna's lips during the episode. Now I'm leaning more towards White Rose and I think Eliot went through some kind of brainwashing so that they could leverage his potential. Maybe his father didn't want this and they got rid of him. Whatever the truth is, my little brain is blowing.
Amazing episode.
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Spoiler tag please! I watched the episode, but this is useful for other people!
If I'm correct, she had a daughter at 15, and gave it to other parents for adoption.
Mando recruits an old friend to help find coordinates for Moff Gideon and shows he will break many rules if he needs to in order to get Grogu back. The action in this episode was fun and exciting to watch. Mando's face reveal felt anticlimactic in a way that one may have been expecting more from a character who hasn't shown his face until this point in the series. I'm hyped for the seaon finale though. More Mando and Moff action!
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@j_pereira8 He showed his face in the season 1 finale
Very disliked Dave Filoni's appearance. Do not want to see him in any acting roles. They have to always cast professional actors and completely forget to use their families, nieces, etc for acting roles. These are not your personal home videos. It completely takes you out of the story.
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@atlantis14 The only reason is that you recognized him, otherwise you would've thought nothing of it. All X-Wing fighters in the prison episode were episode directors as well. The results are just like every acting in the original movies: normal and otherwise totally fine.
So the Fountain of Imperium is sort of a cousin to the Mycelium? Iiinteresting...
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@thogek Constantine will show up on the Cession next season :laughing:
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VIP6Feels more like old school Star Wars, which is definitely a good thing. I also like the Sci-Fi Western feel to it. That I wish the new movies had.
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@jim222001 Made me think Nathan Fillion was under the helmet the whole time.
I agree. I do not agree how they handled the ralph situation. He can change his shape so at least replace the actor. Getting fired for something that was said in the past is for me unfair. If he exhibited those in the present then it would have been more understandable
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@ashuran It’s CW, the woke network. What did you except. But agree with you that if he’s still like than sure fire him but something that was said 9 years a go makes the CW & all the actors on this show no different than Hartley.
And again, another show where we have to wait until sometime NEXT YEAR to see what happens next. Hopefully everyone is doing ok. There's still other shows to come like Stargirl, which starts today.
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@blue_angel That's usually the way season finales work, to entice you to return for the next season premiere. I think they did a pretty good job especially considering the current Covid 19 situation. But as you stated, onto other shows.
The visuals really reminded me of Star Wars, and the main character acted like Han Solo. Even his jacket was similar. The CGI effects weren't cheap, making the planet look beautiful. The main actor didn't strike me as particularly good but I'll keep watching the series to see how it goes. The ending was great and in line with what we know about the story of Superman. Although isn't the Fortress of Solitude a place specific to Earth?
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@rosetheflower The fortress was coded on crypton, as they had the ability to manipulate crystals and strata using it for data storage and making shapes. The fortress can be anywhere and it came from Krypton, so no it's not specific to earth. I love the inclusion of adam strange too, the greatest (earth) hero of Rann.
The villains in this one were so over-the-top and cartoonish. It was hilarious. I really liked it, this show takes itself way too seriously sometimes, so it was a nice change of pace to see something so utterly ridiculous and fun.
Oh my God, Beebo! I hope this becomes a running gag throughout the Arrowverse. And it reminded me that Legends of Tomorrow needs to hurry up and come back already.
Everything Ralph says is fucking gold. His messed-up knee was so disgusting and I actually cringed when I saw it. So much for invincibility, huh? His costume looks good though! And Elongated Man isn't a particularly creative name, but it's fine, I guess.
I just love Harry and Cisco yelling at Caitlin to bring out Killer Frost. It's so damn funny. And I enjoy the fact that the ice queen is like friends with them now? It's great.
What was up with that girl at the end? I have terrible memory, so I don't even know if we've seen her before or if she just popped up randomly in this episode. She's cute, I like her. I wonder what her role will be.
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@aniela-krajewska Hi. The girl in the end was drawing the same symbols as Flash when he return from the Speedforce prison, as far I remember.first time in the show.
This is awesomeness. I had the goofiest of the smiles. Such a joy to watch. It felt like an Arrowverse movie rather than a TV show. I loved that they just created a big story arc, spliced it into four episodes and didn't focus that much on which show the episode belongs to.
The episode felt a little bit longer than the previous one because the Felicity drama slowed it a bit.
They could've gone a little easier on the forced relationship drama as a counterpoint to Barry and Iris' happiness. So far, it didn't make so much sense with what's going on, so it felt a little bit off, but it was still great.
The action scenes were so badass. Those long wide shots with everyone fighting were so good that I wasn't even bothered by the slo-mo scenes. I'm really in love with the shot of Oliver's eye while he was lying on the floor. That was a great cinematography there.
One thing that this episode emphasized was character interaction. It was so well-done and a pleasure to watch. I especially loved Oliver. Stephen Amell is just too good to be true. I'm in love with the guy. He's always great in crossovers but he standed out in this one. I don't know if it was because he got to put on the Green Arrow suit again and got to kick ass or because he was much more funny than in Arrow. He doesn't get those funny remarks on Arrow due to its darkness, but he was incredibly funny and his one-liners were the absolute best.
"Just a quick reminder, super speed - I don't have it". One of the best parts for me, rotf. Delivery was on point. Plus, Kara just started whistling waiting for him. What a funny scene!
Kara: "Is that a kryptonite arrow? Why do you have a kryptonite arrow?"
Oliver: "In case an evil you ever showed up".
That made me laugh so hard but hey, how the hell did Oliver know about kryptonite? How did he get it? If it's from Earth-1, does it mean there's a version of Superman or Supergirl on this earth too?Dark Arrow: "My allegiance is to the Fatherland and to my wife" looks at Overgirl
Kara: "His wife? Gross! No offense".
I loved how disgusted Kara looked when she knew. Btw, the scene when they kissed was pretty much a big wtf.Tommy freaking Merlyn! The noise I made wasn't human. Words can't describe what I felt when I saw him and Ollie's pain in his eyes. We finally got Tommytheus! I couldn't believe it aaaand, he's gone. Killing him after a 5 minute talk. I guess they couldn't get Colin Donnell for much longer. But I'm not mad. It was a wtf moment but it was worth just to see Oliver and Tommy interact again. They punched me right in the feels. I could've been watching that for a whole hour. I kinda wished Tommy would've been a good guy after all but being raised in that world without a choice, I don't blame him.
So Eaobard Thawne from Earth-1 is alive after all. But how? I missed Wellsobard so damn much and seeing Reverse Flash again was just perfect. I love you Tom Cavanagh. He's always a pleasure to watch but his version of Thawne is just a standout for me. Overgirl and her interactions with Kara were amazing. I loved how Melissa played an evil version of herself.
Eobard's still somehow alive and I'm grateful but holy molly, killing Barry's mother, killing the original Wells and taking his place, creating a whole bunch of metas, trying to create his brave new world with the Spear of Destiny, all of that I get, but going to Earth-X and getting involved with Nazism, that right there is evil. That crossed the line. I'm looking forward to some further Eobard-Barry interactions, a la season 1 finale.
I loved Harry's remark when Barry was talking about the Reverse Flash. "That guy's an idiot", lmao. That was brilliant.
And the "a lot of smart people...and Rory" line seems to be sticking, lol.I loved to see Rene, Dinah and Curtis fighting Dark Arrow just to see them wasted one minute later. Dinah could've used her canary cry to stop him, though. Correct me if I'm wrong but that must be the only episode of Arrow without Diggle, not even for a tiny bit. I get why, but still, it was bizarre to see an Arrow episode without him.
I loved how them all got to defend Earth, even Kara and Alex even though this isn't even their earth and yet there they were, kicking Nazis ass. I'm glad Alex could join Kara in this year's crossover unlike last year where she got a left alone as the only member of Supergirl.
And I thought the Jax-Stein scenes in the Supergirl episode were hard. Little did I know! "I never knew my father, but I got to know you. You're the closest thing I've ever had to a dad, and now you're leaving". Right where it hurts: in the feels. It feels like my heart needs a vacation. Man, that hit me pretty hard. Damn ninjas!
Mick Rory is always a plus. I love his random way of doing things. Everyone's about to fight a bunch of Nazis and he bemoans because there's no mustard. He's the absolute best. And he tried to scare Caitlin into Killer Frost, lol. I lost shit in that scene.
That ending scene left me dizzy. Seeing them in a concentration camp made me feel so uncomfortable. That felt straight out wrong. That evil being portrayed on scene turned my stomach.
One thing that I loved was theittle winks to the plot. Iris and Felicity wearing a red and green jacket, respectively as a nod to their love interests was a nice touch. Iris has already done it before, even wearing yellow. And while in the parking lot with the Nazi versions of Ollie and Kara, in the column where Ollie pushed Eobard "E1" was written, as meaning Earth-1 right before they told us that he's the original Eobard. Those little details are fantastic.
I really love the way they structured the crossover. Crisis on Earth-X seems like a standalone show with wee bits from the four Arrowverse shows without an extreme focus on the one that's airing. Even the font was different, which was fantastic. And the intro was absolutely amazing. It reminded me to the iconic Marvel intro.
So far, this has been a fantastic and amazing crossover. Can't wait until tomorrow. The hype is real!
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@vero-winchester "Just a quick reminder, super speed - I don't have it". One of the best parts for me, rotf. Delivery was on point. Plus, Kara just started whistling waiting for him. What a funny scene!
This was the most absolutely hilarious part of this episode for me. Oliver expressing how small he felt compared to them in such a manner, brilliant!
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for those who dont see Redemption... what was that ending?
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@pedro That wasn't something shown in the redemption either. My guess is that was Tom's vision of what could happen if Red finds out he knows about the suitcase or maybe a flash forward to the future. Never had something like this before from what I recall.
Um......this show did get renewed didn't it? I mean, we just saw Bruce Wayne become Batman, they've killed off everyone interesting.... I mean seriously, how are they gonna keep going?!
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@firestorrm58 They did renew it and it is Gotham, my guess is those who got killed will somehow still be alive. Butch for sure, he was already being taken care of and Barbara too I guess. Ed is still alive, just frozen and Tetch is already back in Arkham as mentioned by Harvey.
Entertaining, but I just don't get why the writers insist on regurgitating the whole "4 horsemen of the apocalypse" bit again..
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@thogek couldn't agree more! Still watchable though. I do like the dynamic and chemistry of the team this time around much better, although Abby was a badass.
That was fucking absurd. I loved it. Incredible episode. Damn I love this show and this episode was really funny. I'm still laughing so I have no idea what might come out. But may the Plotforce be with you. I loved the cast today. Everyone did a great job. And I got so hyped when I listened to those angry helicopter noises. Thawne certainly looks extra menacing in that lightning. Amaya, Ray and Nate's speech was superb: STAY IN SCHOOL! And that menacing pointed finger was quite convincing. I laughed louder that I should. George Lucas a the plot was just fantastic and the trash compactor scene was just so over the top. Where have I seen that before? lol And I'm glad Rip is back (thought I'd never say that outloud). He shouting at Vandal Savage because he wasn't threatening enough was hilarious. And I almost died of laughing when he didn't know how to use a gun. I actually though he was gonna hurt himself or one of the legends. And when he got arrested, that high pitched scream. I'll never recover. And Nate being a yoga instructor, yeah man, that sucks. And when Jax said he went to Sunday school, I pictured him singing Gospel. And Snart us definitely real. I refuse to believe he's dead.
The entire cast was amazing. I guess now it's RIP to Rip and Welcome Phil. Stein was on point: "I'm doing brain surgery, what's it look like?" And Sara and Jax accepting it like, OK, we don't have time, for your shit. And Merlyn's expression when he punched Nate, lol. I was a bit off when Dahrk and Merlyn were continuously missing shots like they were stupid or something. Then I realized they were Stormtroopers, lol. And the elevator scene. Seriously, I couldn't stop laughing. The music was just so damn perfect.
"Hi, my name is Phil. I'm a full time film student and a part time recreational drug user", oh man that was just brilliant. I loved how Nate kept on calling Lucas by his full name. I just loved everything on this crazy episode.
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@thogek Same though here. That you're our only hope got me rolling on the floor. I couldn't believe it. What an awesome episode
Cool thing with answer on "His name is..." in the final scene. And sadly, not fully happy end for Burton.
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@thogek maybe. One thing I know for sure that Tess's mom was right. He was in love with the idea of her.
Doesn't this happen at the same time as other CW shows like Arrow and The Flash? How's Laurel alive and how is Raymond in Star City, with his suit?
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@grumm I think it's a bit behind. I was confused too, so I looked it up. The first season was written when Arrow season 3 was written, so it kind of fits in around that time.
